Gross behavior. But not surprised. UK is a real surveillance state.
In my honest opinion, in this specific context UK should be treated with the same scrutiny we treat China.
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#132Apple should tell those ignorant fuckwits to do one.
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#134Just make TimeCapsule for iOS and iPadOS. With option to store it fully encrypted in AWS cold storage as Apple subscription.
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#135What's new here? As mentioned in the article, Salt Typhoon and the recency of this request by the UK. At this point they should know better. My pet theory is anytime the US wants to do something illegal under US law, they simply ask the UK to do it and vice versa. That's why Salt Typhoon isn't and never will be a lesson learned.
I recommend Susan Landau as the goto person on this. She recently spoke with Lawfare on the current state of play. [1] Susan Landau and Alan Rozenshtein Debate End-to-End Encryption (Again!) https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/lawfare-daily--susan-la... !)
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Never again can our entire country be locked down on shoddy evidence and lies What’s this about? Is it some mad “covid was a hoax” thing?
Reform UK don't believe Covid was a hoax. Reform UK believe that the purported efficacy of the mRNA vaccines at preventing transmission was massively exaggerated (we now know it was). https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... Reform UK believe that the detrimental side effects of lockdown policy outweighed the benefits of lockdown policy (again, there's evidence to support this view) https://sit…
In this other comment I read a rather different story about what ReformUK wants https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42971836
Your comment makes it sound like they're all about research, but they also want to ditch human rights and the world health organisation? This conflict of logic makes me think there's probably more to it than just research and doing good in the world. Can it be that they speak of e.g. lockdowns having been bad based on that ReformUK voters were particularly badly affected by that policy and that this study after the fact found that, indeed, they did more harm than good? Ignoring that this wasn't necessarily knowable at the time, but it reflects badly on the government to have made a mistake with hindsight and so they can gain votes since they weren't in power back then and thus the fallacy is to think they'd have known better?
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#137Given recent polling, we have to assume that what is MI5's today will be Reform's tomorrow. We have to ask what our government and judiciary are doing putting our privacy in the hands of the far-right.
I never understood this kinds of arguments... both sides want to read your private data, but it's bad if 'the other side' does it? It's your current MI5/government that wants access to apples data.
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#138Question: Would it be technically feasible to make an Apple app which encrypts/decrypts the files used in iCloud and is able to use iCloud itself? As a solution to never have unencrypted files in iCloud.
That's only possible for the files owned by the app. Apps have no access to other unrelated apps' iCloud data.
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> prevent the UK authorities from interfering with their activities I'm still missing how this could be enforced ? To my layman understanding, this reads the same as if China said : "Meta, Tesla, Valve etc has entities in China therefore we get to see all data they store in the EU and the US. The UK has Zero jurisdiction in Ireland for example where a lot of EU data may be stored.
It would be enforced by fining the UK legal entities (or worse, like charging their legal representatives) if they don't comply. If the UK is serious about this, the only alternative for Apple would eventually be to completely cease operations in the UK. By the way, this is similar to why for true GDPR compliance, data centers should be operated by EU companies that aren't subsidiaries of US companies, because even i…
The most horrible part of the discussion we're making is that we're arguing that UK intelligence should be able to access only UK related data, and not that UK intelligence should not undermine privacy of people
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Of course, the U.K. is rather famously not a republic, but rather a democratic monarchy. Now, if only the King would do his job and refuse assent to the Parliament when it does something wrong.
The King is only two years younger than Trump, and has cancer. His main interests are watercolor painting, traditional architecture, homeopathy, the Goon Show, and vegetables. He was never likely to do anything confrontational.*
I wonder if a future King William might try something like this, though.
* Come to think of it, Hitler liked three or four of those things too, so this is less demonstrative of character than I imagine.