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Post by BryantD »

rayiner wrote: post #268
BryantD wrote: post #57

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Judge John McConnell disagrees with you. His decision placing a hold on the spending freeze cites the Impoundment Control Act as part of his finding that the lawsuit is likely to succeed on the merits.

That decision applies to a very specific item: congressional appropriated federal support to states. Which is probably the strongest case for an impoundment argument.

Yep. And certainly at the beginning of all this there was reason to think that this was happening. For example, Solar for All grants were paused with no explanation of why or the expected path for releasing them.

So, yes, impoundment is a relevant term to use.

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Post by hintymad »

voxic11 wrote: post #317
hintymad wrote: post #255

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> DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation Could you share you reasons. From what I gather, the EO[1] does a few things to avoid potential law suits: - It revised the purpose of an existing agency, USDS. The general purpose is not changed: "Modernizing Federal Technology and Software to Maximize Efficiency and Productivity". This avoids the issue of creating a new agency without the approval from Congress. -…

The USDS wasn't established by Congress, it was established by Obama via Presidential memoranda and OMB budget request.

Thanks! I knew that Obama created the USDS, but I thought he still needed the support from Congress. Well then, in that case I'm not sure why Trump would rather repurpose the USDS. Maybe it's easier to set up a temporary entity for DOGE that way?

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Post by llamaimperative »

ty6853 wrote: post #280
courseofaction wrote: post #277

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Sounds like you don't have an argument or analogy and are going for ad hominem and deflection instead.

The argument 'but the right dismantling the shadow left, and the left dismantling the shadow right hopefully provides some balance' is merely a symmetric balance principle. The person pretending to ask questions used an underhanded socratic method to assert what was happening about line-by-line and then demanded analog for their own premise as if it were mine instead of theirs. Youve fallen for a trick.

I asked for evidence of your claim of symmetric behavior.

You just sent everyone on a wild goose chase instead of saying “I don’t have any.”

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Post by llamaimperative »

ty6853 wrote: post #311
llamaimperative wrote: post #300

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> both sides do this > can you give a specific example you see as similar? > wahhhh stop sealioning me!

'This' is as defined by you, as you reject analogies based on whatever premise you impose on others, even though they pretend to be mere questions. I knew you would reject whatever was offered, and you did. It was never a sincere question.

You haven’t presented any examples.

And I literally asked what seems analogous to you.

Sure, I might dispute your answer, but that’s what a conversation is. It’s really telling that you still haven’t volunteered any answer.

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Post by Dig1t »

mcv wrote: post #329
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #260

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They are also tweeting 'findings' to create a narrative. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1885964969335808217

Flynn and Musk attacking Lutheran organizations? I thought this administration was going to pretend to be super Christian.

The Lutheran organizations were facilitating mass migration. The money was being given to them to help bring in millions of people from places like Haiti.

https://x.com/Cernovich/status/1887267531267940517

They are providing receipts for all of the corruption they are uncovering.

>SERVICES FOR UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN.

https://x.com/GenFlynn/status/1885872007062892568

LUTHERAN IMMIGRATION AND REFUGEE SERVICE INC: $367,612,906

LUTHERAN SOCIAL SERVICES OF THE SOUTH, INC: $134,190,472.95

LUTHERAN SERVICES FLORIDA, INC.: $82,937,819.95

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Post by Dig1t »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #260
dylan604 wrote: post #65

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> hope it will be get reined in before oops. they already have access to data, and there's no unseeing what they've seen.

They are also tweeting 'findings' to create a narrative. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1885964969335808217

I mean it’s raw data, putting “findings” in quotes does not change the fact that this is concrete evidence of corruption.

These are taxpayer dollars:

LUTHERAN IMMIGRATION AND REFUGEE SERVICE INC: $367,612,906

LUTHERAN SOCIAL SERVICES OF THE SOUTH, INC: $134,190,472.95

LUTHERAN SERVICES FLORIDA, INC.: $82,937,819.95

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Post by dylan604 »

whatever1 wrote: post #331
ty6853 wrote: post #310

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>In 1997, Horiuchi was charged with manslaughter for killing Vicki Weaver at Ruby Ridge; the charges were later dropped due to Constitutional supremacy, granting federal officers immunity from actions taken in the scope of their practice https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Horiuchi

But this guy was getting orders from the State. Who the f is Elon?

I think we might be confusing "state" here. "this guy" as you say was an FBI agent, a federal not state agent. Elon is gaining access to federal data, not state data.

Maybe I'm confused, but why do we think Elon is committing offenses that a state could charge so that a pardon from Trump would not be possible?

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by Dig1t »

code_runner wrote: post #41

DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation, and I really do hope it will be get reined in before they can cause an issue so big that _even trump's croniest cronies_ have to admit what is going on. For someone who claims to love freedom of speech, Elon is pretty quick to determine who can say what, and how much access to _his_ data people have.

It’s obviously completely legal actually. The president has the power to do this.

Reducing bureaucracy, rooting out corruption, and shrinking government waste also polls really well.

Democrats should be much more careful about positioning themselves on this long term.

If they are seen as the party of more bureaucracy and corruption (they already are) this will further tarnish their reputation and decrease their odds of winning elections in the future.

The way it’s currently playing out the people complaining the loudest seem like the most guilty benefactors of corruption, they are damaging their reputations and don’t even realize it.

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