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Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation, and I really do hope it will be get reined in before they can cause an issue so big that _even trump's croniest cronies_ have to admit what is going on. For someone who claims to love freedom of speech, Elon is pretty quick to determine who can say what, and how much access to _his_ data people have.

How is it an illegal operation?

DOGE does not have the authority to shut down independent agencies of the US Government such as USAID.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

#62

DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation, and I really do hope it will be get reined in before they can cause an issue so big that _even trump's croniest cronies_ have to admit what is going on. For someone who claims to love freedom of speech, Elon is pretty quick to determine who can say what, and how much access to _his_ data people have.

Is it? It's explicitly just a rename of the USDS. Them not using govslack is stupid though

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

#63

DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation, and I really do hope it will be get reined in before they can cause an issue so big that _even trump's croniest cronies_ have to admit what is going on. For someone who claims to love freedom of speech, Elon is pretty quick to determine who can say what, and how much access to _his_ data people have.

> DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation This narrative infuriates me. Either you are right, and entire wings of our government are abetting a coup, or you are wrong, and our government has huge back doors that no one is watching. Both realities reveal something urgently broken with the United States. In a way that should scare the entire western world to its core.

DOGE is not illegal. However the legality of some of the things they do is under question. The current government, including DOGE is being operated like “Just do as many things as possible, so that the lawsuits can’t keep up”. While lawyers are busy trying to stop big things, many small but important items will slip through the cracks and will take decades to undo.

Edit: BTW this strategy has always been available, it’s just that career politicians aren’t incentivized to do this for “good” because they want long political careers.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

#64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it actually illegal if it's the pet project of the president, who has been given absolute power by the rest of the government?

The president isn’t a king.

You and I would like to think that, but he's been given carte blanche by the people who should be his checks and balances and the supreme court has made anything he does in the course of his duties legal.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

#65

DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation, and I really do hope it will be get reined in before they can cause an issue so big that _even trump's croniest cronies_ have to admit what is going on. For someone who claims to love freedom of speech, Elon is pretty quick to determine who can say what, and how much access to _his_ data people have.

> hope it will be get reined in before

oops. they already have access to data, and there's no unseeing what they've seen.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

#66

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More expensive and more better.

Is it? Discord seems to be way better Teams are good enough

  Discord seems to be way better
You can't be serious. The search alone makes it atrocious for anything other than game servers. It's a problem enough people are trying to use Discord where they should have used proper forums.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

#67

DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation, and I really do hope it will be get reined in before they can cause an issue so big that _even trump's croniest cronies_ have to admit what is going on. For someone who claims to love freedom of speech, Elon is pretty quick to determine who can say what, and how much access to _his_ data people have.

Is it actually illegal if it's the pet project of the president, who has been given absolute power by the rest of the government?

I would say yes, insofar as the text and SCOTUS interpretations of the constitution count as law, so anything that violates, for example, the separation of powers would be illegal.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

#68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it actually illegal if it's the pet project of the president, who has been given absolute power by the rest of the government?

The president isn’t a king.

In what ways is a president restricted from acting like a king when the other two bodies of government meant to act as a check and balance have capitulated any of those checks and essentially give carte blanche to the president?

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation This narrative infuriates me. Either you are right, and entire wings of our government are abetting a coup, or you are wrong, and our government has huge back doors that no one is watching. Both realities reveal something urgently broken with the United States. In a way that should scare the entire western world to its core.

DOGE is not illegal. However the legality of some of the things they do is under question. The current government, including DOGE is being operated like “Just do as many things as possible, so that the lawsuits can’t keep up”. While lawyers are busy trying to stop big things, many small but important items will slip through the cracks and will take decades to undo. Edit: BTW this strategy has always been available, i…

> While lawyers are busy trying to stop big things, many small but important items will slip through the cracks and will take decades to undo.

So the government is designed in such a way that someone can do illegal things without those currently running the systems simply saying "no?"

They have the power to do the things, and then we have to wait for it to be litigated. Watching the cases against Trump drop like flies after he got elected, knowing the Supreme Court is packed full of members of one party. This doesn't seem like a reliable solution.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

#70

DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation, and I really do hope it will be get reined in before they can cause an issue so big that _even trump's croniest cronies_ have to admit what is going on. For someone who claims to love freedom of speech, Elon is pretty quick to determine who can say what, and how much access to _his_ data people have.

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I'm surprised he has not tit-for-tatted with pre-emptive pardons for all of his minions.
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