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Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by bdangubic »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #146
stevenAthompson wrote: post #139

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> I worry Elon's going a bit bonkers with drugs or whatever. This is most of the reason I don't have a Tesla. The entire company will fold if Musk takes a bit too much ketamine and has a Roseanne Barr moment. At that point I won't be able to get parts as the vehicles were built from the ground up to be hostile to third party repairs. I don't want to be left holding the bag because Elon wanted to smoke a bag.

I own several Teslas, and based on first hand service experience, your concerns are warranted. Stay out of the ecosystem, lots of other good EVs to pick from (Hyundai Ioniq 6, for example). If nothing goes wrong during your ownership, you're fine. If anything goes wrong and you need service or support, it is a terrible experience. Maybe this changes if Tesla fires Musk and puts someone competent and accountable at th…

the problem with a non-tesla is charging… and it is a BIG problem. I own both Tesla and a non-tesla EV which I literally never take anywhere if I need to charge it … the first time you wait 7 hours to charge the car you get it :!

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by [deleted] »

hilux wrote: post #156
throwaway5752 wrote: post #22

I wouldn't buy a Tesla today if it alchemically transmuted atmospheric carbon dioxide into an ounce of gold that pooped out of the front console every 1000 miles. Most of Tesla's target market does not tolerate Nazism, which Elon Musk is clearly and obviously signaling. That doesn't even touch on his enthusiastic role in an administration threatening EU members states, some of our historically closest allies in the p…

If hippies no longer buy Tesla, then maybe all of the MAGA will, or maybe Trump will require the USPS or the federal government or any company wanting to do business with the federal government to buy Tesla. Anything you can imagine is possible.

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Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by toomuchtodo »

bdangubic wrote: post #161
toomuchtodo wrote: post #146

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I own several Teslas, and based on first hand service experience, your concerns are warranted. Stay out of the ecosystem, lots of other good EVs to pick from (Hyundai Ioniq 6, for example). If nothing goes wrong during your ownership, you're fine. If anything goes wrong and you need service or support, it is a terrible experience. Maybe this changes if Tesla fires Musk and puts someone competent and accountable at th…

the problem with a non-tesla is charging… and it is a BIG problem. I own both Tesla and a non-tesla EV which I literally never take anywhere if I need to charge it … the first time you wait 7 hours to charge the car you get it :!

At least in the US, almost every automaker has contracted with Tesla for access to the Supercharger network. I am aware this is still a chokepoint that Musk could exercise control over while having a controlling interest in Tesla.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by tzs »

rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #50
throwaway5752 wrote: post #34

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Most people don't need or want FSD. They want an actual steering wheel and an actual stalk in order to activate turn signals. They want reliable well-made electric vehicles that don't take long to repair. Musk has spent many billions of dollars building something his target market doesn't require. Tesla does not currently have product-market fit. Musk should resign his board and CEO positions and stop interfering wit…

>Tesla does not currently have product-market fit. Yet, it sells the best selling car on Earth.

But when you add up sales for all models from each company, there are 12 companies that sell more cars each year. Market share is 11.07% Toyota, 6.41% VW, 4.87% Honda, 4.82% Ford, 4.56% Hyundai, 3.84% Nissan, 3.77% Suzuki, 3.53% Kia, 3.48% Chevrolet, 3.47% BYD, 2.67% Mercedes-Benz, then 2.77% for Audi and Tesla, and bringing up the rear of the top 15 is 1.85% for Renault

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by robocat »

electric_mayhem wrote: post #150
robocat wrote: post #145

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I hope you either: (A) design your own replacement logo (perhaps something subversive), or (B) stick on a logo from another brand... Maybe an old British/Euro brand? Or a brand associated with gas-guzzlers. Or an old-school rainbow Apple logo.

Funny you should say this– I'm working on that right now. :-) I've had a complete Mazda 3 badge set from Fleabay in a drawer in my garage that I ordered when he first started skewing right. I picked those because, if you squint right, it kind of resembles a Mazda 3 (and nobody is going to give it a second thought once they see Mazda badges). Just downloaded from Thingiverse files for blank wheel center caps for the c…

Cool. I occasionally use cryptic branding/marking to cloak valuables as something undesirable to steal.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

taylodl wrote: post #97
ultrarunner wrote: post #58

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> something as personal as a car This is such a weird-but-probably-true take. I know it happens, but it's such a shame. Most people can't even name the CEO of their carmaker, much less that person's political positions. Most people just want to get to work and the store, and have very little other choice than some kind of car. Self expression through highly regulated corporations' focus groups: how sad.

CEOs of other carmakers take great pains for you to not know their political views as they are a private matter and may harm brand image. Musk has done a hard 180 degree turn in this regard. To make matters worse, Musk has become almost universally despised. Combine this with the flop that is the CyberTruck, and Tesla can expect their sales to plunge in the upcoming quarter.

He’s not universally despised. Even among democrats, half admire his talent and success. And in EVs, Teslas are still the best. I know you’re trying to manufacture a case for Tesla’s failure due to your political bias against Musk, but the reality is other car manufacturers are doing worse and have serious large scale problems, without any real strategy. Tesla, despite controversy, seems like it has more going for it than being just another car manufacturer.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by palmotea »

bdangubic wrote: post #158
PromKwing wrote: post #138

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Contributes to what? Tesla's failing sales?

contributes to the fact that richest man in the world is 100% the most miserable man in the world

> contributes to the fact that richest man in the world is 100% the most miserable man in the world

You know, he should be able to afford a lot of therapy by very skilled and talented therapists.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by morepork »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #166
taylodl wrote: post #97

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CEOs of other carmakers take great pains for you to not know their political views as they are a private matter and may harm brand image. Musk has done a hard 180 degree turn in this regard. To make matters worse, Musk has become almost universally despised. Combine this with the flop that is the CyberTruck, and Tesla can expect their sales to plunge in the upcoming quarter.

He’s not universally despised. Even among democrats, half admire his talent and success. And in EVs, Teslas are still the best. I know you’re trying to manufacture a case for Tesla’s failure due to your political bias against Musk, but the reality is other car manufacturers are doing worse and have serious large scale problems, without any real strategy. Tesla, despite controversy, seems like it has more going for it…

BYD will most likely sell more battery only EVs than Tesla this year and appear to have no problem scaling, they also sell cars that fit the majority of market segments.

Maybe Tesla's strategy of only 3 models and betting on robotaxis is the right one, but they have a serious risk of falling behind.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by gnfargbl »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #149
gnfargbl wrote: post #92

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"Republicans buy sneakers, too." I wonder how long it will take the Tesla board to fully internalise the meaning of that quote.

https://www.pewresearch.org/?attachment_id=179415 (draw your attention to the center of the graphic, Republican vs Democrat, as it relates to who would consider purchasing an EV) About 3 in 10 Americans would seriously consider buying an electric vehicle - https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/06/27/about-3-i... - June 27, 2024

The graphic shows that 85% of the addressable market favour party A and 15% party B. My point is that once you strongly align your brand with either party, you alienate a decent chunk of your customers.

If you have to choose, then in this situation choosing A is much better than B, but why alienate any of your customers like this?

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by The_Colonel »

rasz wrote: post #106
yalogin wrote: post #46

I see this drop across Europe and Canada but the US is still alright. For some reason though, any negative news about Tesla doesn't reflect in the stock price. Wonder if the US market is propping it up, xAI nebulous or may be just musk's incessant tweeting.

No company with US President on its asset list is going to tank on stock market.

I would not be surprised at all if they broke up within a couple of months.
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