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Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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I live in San Mateo County, CA and in my street 3 neighbors have sold their Teslas within the last 8 weeks and switched to other brands.

> I live in San Mateo County, CA Jackson Hole, Wyoming. One sold (Model X), one scrapped (Cybertruck). Oddly, opposite ends of the political spectrum. Both because of Musk’s new brand.

Where do I buy one of these cheap Teslas people are selling for political reasons?

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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This may get flagged as it's similar to previous articles that were flagged, but I'd just like to point out that ideological arguments pro or con about Tesla stories rarely seem to be the true reason. That is, whenever there is an article about Tesla sales slipping you see lots of "That's because all the liberal EV buyers hate Elon now!" comments. And as much as I may personally want that to be true, if you dig a tee…

I think there are more viable alternatives now than there were a few years ago, which makes it a lot easier to choose an alternative even if the negative brand association with Elon is only a small effect.

Of course, when the viable alternatives were few or none, that negative brand association would have to be much stronger to affect buying decisions.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

#43
My neighbor -- a very earnest, smart, progressive 27 year old working in alternative energy -- bought one just before the election. His deposit went in sometime in the spring.

He was super excited about it at first, but the spring in his step is much reduced now. I feel bad for him.

I mean, true life, I think most people have pretty good experiences with Teslas. The brand was pretty resilient vs. Elon's shenanigans until fairly recently, but now, man, whatever goodwill he had he's busily taken a flame thrower to. We'll probably go EV or hybrid for our next car, and there's no way in hell we'd consider a Tesla AT ALL.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely uninformed statement. Its impressive what they achieved in such a short time but neither the xiaomi nor the BYD Seal is anywhere close to what it is mimicking.

Most people don't need or want FSD. They want an actual steering wheel and an actual stalk in order to activate turn signals. They want reliable well-made electric vehicles that don't take long to repair. Musk has spent many billions of dollars building something his target market doesn't require. Tesla does not currently have product-market fit. Musk should resign his board and CEO positions and stop interfering wit…

> They want a steering wheel and stalk in order to activate turn signals.

They just brought that back in the Juniper refresh.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

#45

This may get flagged as it's similar to previous articles that were flagged, but I'd just like to point out that ideological arguments pro or con about Tesla stories rarely seem to be the true reason. That is, whenever there is an article about Tesla sales slipping you see lots of "That's because all the liberal EV buyers hate Elon now!" comments. And as much as I may personally want that to be true, if you dig a tee…

Yep, I think the availability of other options helps a lot, and it's important we don't lose this competition now that the head of Tesla has somehow finagled a position in government (it will continue to be insane to me every time I think about that).

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only Chinese challenger brand that has some traction is Geely via Volvo. Probably depends on the country? I see a ton of BYDs on the road here (Austria).

I'm not sure about Austria, but these are the cross-EU stats [0]. And in the largest EU markets (Germany, France, Italy, Spain), it's overwhelmingly local players. Chinese players have started gaining some traction, but that's overwhelmingly Geely via Volvo. And Geely began their expansion abroad largely due to domestic competition within China, with most consumers preferring either a BYD or a Tesla. [0] - https://ww…

That link talks about H1 2024 and says this about BYD:

> BYD registered 17,000 electric cars - 14,000 more compared to H1 2023. In fact, BYD’s rapid growth allowed it to outsell Nissan, Smart, Toyota, Polestar, Citroen, Dacia, Ford, Mini, Porsche, and Mazda. As a result, BYD is now Europe’s 16th best-selling BEV brand - the second Chinese brand following MG, which held 8th place in the BEV ranking.

Would be interesting to know how H2 did.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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post #29

I wouldn't buy a Tesla today if it alchemically transmuted atmospheric carbon dioxide into an ounce of gold that pooped out of the front console every 1000 miles. Most of Tesla's target market does not tolerate Nazism, which Elon Musk is clearly and obviously signaling. That doesn't even touch on his enthusiastic role in an administration threatening EU members states, some of our historically closest allies in the p…

That’s ridiculous. Can you name examples where he is signaling Nazism (except the Salut). Have you watched any long form podcasts of him?

"When did he do Nazi things? Oh by the way, that time he did a Nazi salute on live TV doesn't count for some reason."

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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post #46

I see this drop across Europe and Canada but the US is still alright. For some reason though, any negative news about Tesla doesn't reflect in the stock price. Wonder if the US market is propping it up, xAI nebulous or may be just musk's incessant tweeting.

tsla has been detached from fundamentals for a while now

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely uninformed statement. Its impressive what they achieved in such a short time but neither the xiaomi nor the BYD Seal is anywhere close to what it is mimicking.

Most people don't need or want FSD. They want an actual steering wheel and an actual stalk in order to activate turn signals. They want reliable well-made electric vehicles that don't take long to repair. Musk has spent many billions of dollars building something his target market doesn't require. Tesla does not currently have product-market fit. Musk should resign his board and CEO positions and stop interfering wit…

>Tesla does not currently have product-market fit.

Yet, it sells the best selling car on Earth.

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