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Post by exceptione »

impulser_ wrote: post #238
exceptione wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He simply informs the President, That man is way too friendly. Just before the election he gave $300.000.000,00 to Trump. And he is so special, eh! He can read air-gaped, highly sensitive data that no one should see from government systems, just using his mind/indoctrinated minions. I hate it when people speculate this might have to do, amongst things, with dark money to be made in intelligence/elite level internat…

Neither him nor Trump ever hid what Elon was going to do if Trump was elected. Unlike other donators of both parties, we always knew what Elon's goal was. He literally spent the last year on Twitter tweeting about it. Many people, especially libertarians, voted for Trump for this exact reason. Yeah, you might think he shouldn't have access to these system but it's the President, who the majority of the people voted f…

I think you are really young, so I am going to give you advice instead: do not open X, it fuels you adrenaline, but it is a trap for the gullible.

If you have honest policies, there is no need to ddos the democratic system, and it certainly does not require a bunch of insanely spoiled Accelerationist billionaires and the killing of science.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by yongjik »

ty6853 wrote: post #195
krapp wrote: post #181

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Yeah, I mean Musk has literally tweeted that DOGE is "dismantling the radical-left shadow government."[0] This is not about efficiency or rooting out corruption, it's about persecuting political enemies and purging wrongthink. Which was something people here screamed bloody murder about when they accused Biden of doing it, just by asking Twitter to moderate content, but I guess this is all fine now. [0] https://x.com…

[flagged]

I assume this is a prevalent mindset of a big chunk of Trump supporters. "I love it when half of my state government is at war with the remaining half, and I want the US government to be like that, so that it can't get anything done."

Well, I guess that's better than being outright neo-Nazi ...

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Post by amarcheschi »

kemayo wrote: post #197
amarcheschi wrote: post #150

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With the cross symbol I thought you were proposing to... Deal with doge in an unconventional, yet fast, disruptive and mangionesque way

It's a dagger symbol! Which... I guess doesn't entirely avert that implication. (But really, it's the traditional second tier footnote symbol after an asterisk, which I couldn't use here because it triggers italics.)

It looks like the dead cross symbol on Wikipedia

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by mrguyorama »

timeon wrote: post #168
intended wrote: post #93

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The government isn't designed for one party to decide to play winner take all politics. It was assumed that people would find a way to work together, not that one party could punish bipartisanship within its own ranks, and then be rewarded for it. Furthermore America has been moving towards this for decades. There has been openly shared plans on how this was to be achieved, for multiple different stages. From stackin…

> It was assumed that people would find a way to work together This is not in line with first-past-the-post voting system. If you want to have "people work together" you need coalitions.

The late 1700s predate most mathematical analysis of voting systems.

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Post by hintymad »

code_runner wrote: post #41

DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation, and I really do hope it will be get reined in before they can cause an issue so big that _even trump's croniest cronies_ have to admit what is going on. For someone who claims to love freedom of speech, Elon is pretty quick to determine who can say what, and how much access to _his_ data people have.

> DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation

Could you share you reasons. From what I gather, the EO[1] does a few things to avoid potential law suits:

- It revised the purpose of an existing agency, USDS. The general purpose is not changed: "Modernizing Federal Technology and Software to Maximize Efficiency and Productivity". This avoids the issue of creating a new agency without the approval from Congress.

- It cites cites the sectio 3161 of title 5 of United States Code, to create DOGE as a "Temporary Organization" for only 18 months. This avoids the law suits that the EO creates a new government entity with out the approval of Congress.

- It orders each government agency to hire DOGE teams, each of which includes a lead, a lawyer, an HR, and an engineer. Agency heads should ensure that DOGE agenda is implemented. This is within the authority of an EO.

- The EO voids previous EOs to avoid law suits on future conflicts.

[1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/esta...

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Post by icedchai »

outside1234 wrote: post #89
dylan604 wrote: post #68

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In what ways is a president restricted from acting like a king when the other two bodies of government meant to act as a check and balance have capitulated any of those checks and essentially give carte blanche to the president?

It is a good question. Hopefully we get an answer before we are all bankrupt. No idea why the markets aren't in freefall at this point.

I'm skeptical that billionaires will tank the very thing from which all their wealth is derived, at least not long term. We will continue to see tremendous short term volatility.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by hintymad »

hintymad wrote: post #255
code_runner wrote: post #41

DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation, and I really do hope it will be get reined in before they can cause an issue so big that _even trump's croniest cronies_ have to admit what is going on. For someone who claims to love freedom of speech, Elon is pretty quick to determine who can say what, and how much access to _his_ data people have.

> DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation Could you share you reasons. From what I gather, the EO[1] does a few things to avoid potential law suits: - It revised the purpose of an existing agency, USDS. The general purpose is not changed: "Modernizing Federal Technology and Software to Maximize Efficiency and Productivity". This avoids the issue of creating a new agency without the approval from Congress. -…

And a curious question: I was seeking the truth on the qualifier "obvious" and the legality of the EO in general, and I presented my case with references to the actual EO. My reasoning could be very wrong but at least I tried to stick with the discussion of the actual legality of the EO.

What's your reason to flag it and downvote it without counter arguments? Anything that does not agree with your rage is automatically morally bad bad bad?

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Post by seattle_spring »

psytrancefan wrote: post #189
stanleykm wrote: post #54

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The president isn’t a king.

This is all the Curtis Yarvin influence. There is that period in US history that the president was acting more like a king, Taft to FDR. They were doing much more executive orders then that we have been use to the past 80 years. It all is quite unsettling. Then the fact it is Trump doing this is just something else all together too. I am a bit worried how the country is going to deal with this level of change. We are…

Surprised Yarvin hasn't been mentioned much on HN since this all started. The last few weeks have been a transparent implementation of his plans.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

dylan604 wrote: post #65
code_runner wrote: post #41

DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation, and I really do hope it will be get reined in before they can cause an issue so big that _even trump's croniest cronies_ have to admit what is going on. For someone who claims to love freedom of speech, Elon is pretty quick to determine who can say what, and how much access to _his_ data people have.

> hope it will be get reined in before oops. they already have access to data, and there's no unseeing what they've seen.

They are also tweeting 'findings' to create a narrative.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1885964969335808217

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