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Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by exceptione »

impulser_ wrote: post #169
kemayo wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

President doesn't have authority to shut them down by EO either. Congress does, yes. (It's one of those "power of the purse" things. If Congress has created an organization and funded it, the executive is required to spend that money on it.)

Yeah, that why I said both. It depends on what they are doing. USAID probably needs congress, but other things might just need an EO. The point is DOGE isn't doing this, the President is. Elon doesn't have authority that Democratics are saying he does. He simply informs the President, "Hey, USAID is spending taxpayers money to fund xyz in xyz you might want to shut it down". The President then goes "Yeah, I think we…

> He simply informs the President,

That man is way too friendly. Just before the election he gave $300.000.000,00 to Trump. And he is so special, eh! He can read air-gaped, highly sensitive data that no one should see from government systems, just using his mind/indoctrinated minions. I hate it when people speculate this might have to do, amongst things, with dark money to be made in intelligence/elite level international crime.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by exceptione »

jedilord wrote: post #53
code_runner wrote: post #41

DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation, and I really do hope it will be get reined in before they can cause an issue so big that _even trump's croniest cronies_ have to admit what is going on. For someone who claims to love freedom of speech, Elon is pretty quick to determine who can say what, and how much access to _his_ data people have.

How is it an illegal operation?

I don't know? To this day people still fuss about concentration camps here, while the leader clearly had given authority to do so. People are just too political these days.

By the way, I heard the Palestinian Problem is going to be solved for good?

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Post by svachalek »

lupusreal wrote: post #107
kemayo wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

President doesn't have authority to shut them down by EO either. Congress does, yes. (It's one of those "power of the purse" things. If Congress has created an organization and funded it, the executive is required to spend that money on it.)

That would make the executive orders illegal, or at best invalid. It wouldn't make DOGE illegal. DOGE is private citizens giving their opinions about how the government should work to a politician who happens to be listening to them (for now, but probably not long given that politician's track record for getting into feuds with former allies.) Citizens voicing their opinions about the government is clear cut First Am…

Citizens voicing their opinion don't usually have unlimited access to government databases.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by llamaimperative »

ty6853 wrote: post #195
krapp wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I mean Musk has literally tweeted that DOGE is "dismantling the radical-left shadow government."[0] This is not about efficiency or rooting out corruption, it's about persecuting political enemies and purging wrongthink. Which was something people here screamed bloody murder about when they accused Biden of doing it, just by asking Twitter to moderate content, but I guess this is all fine now. [0] https://x.com…

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When did the left do this to the right? Be specific please.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by Volundr »

dmitrygr wrote: post #138
code_runner wrote: post #41

DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation, and I really do hope it will be get reined in before they can cause an issue so big that _even trump's croniest cronies_ have to admit what is going on. For someone who claims to love freedom of speech, Elon is pretty quick to determine who can say what, and how much access to _his_ data people have.

No personal option stated or implied, but: exactly this was clearly promised before the election, and it is being delivered right now. The people voted for this: a majority of the American people. Democracy, no?

> The people voted for this: a majority of the American people. Democracy, no?

Does this mean it was wrong of Republicans to have tried to stop anything Obama or Biden was trying to do? Or question it's legality?

I keep hearing this "the people voted for it argument", but unless your prepared to condemn things like limiting the scope of the ACA and refusing to confirm justices, it's hard to take the argument seriously.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by krapp »

ty6853 wrote: post #195
krapp wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I mean Musk has literally tweeted that DOGE is "dismantling the radical-left shadow government."[0] This is not about efficiency or rooting out corruption, it's about persecuting political enemies and purging wrongthink. Which was something people here screamed bloody murder about when they accused Biden of doing it, just by asking Twitter to moderate content, but I guess this is all fine now. [0] https://x.com…

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What Musk is describing is a deranged conspiracy theory, that "shadow left" doesn't exist except as a modern meme-driven equivalent to right-wing fears of communist infiltrators and Jews in academia. It turns out this generation's totenkopf is an AI generated shiba inu.

And there isn't a "shadow right" either, but only because they're acting completely out in the open.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by llamaimperative »

buzer wrote: post #151
outside1234 wrote: post #82

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The president can't decide to stop spending money Congress has passed by EO.

That sounds weird. I can understand that you cannot take money that was promised for thing X and spend in thing Y but if you can reduce the X spending I don't think there is any issue. Now I do not know if Congress has explicitly required X to provide certain thing. If they did then there might be some issue if X fails to provide it. It's probably easy to say someone is accountable for it if it's something objective…

No, the executive is not allowed either to redirect or to stop or slow the Congressionally apportioned funds.

This is called impoundment and it's unequivocally illegal.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by llamaimperative »

zosima wrote: post #71
mplewis wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DOGE does not have the authority to shut down independent agencies of the US Government such as USAID.

DOGE gets its authority through the president. The president definitely has the authority to audit and/or stop illegal, fraudulent or just wasteful transactions. The exact shape or form of USAID is also up to the president. It was created through an executive order, and can of course also be transformed through one.

> The president definitely has the authority to audit and/or stop illegal, fraudulent or just wasteful transactions.

This is not true. Obviously.

That would give the President carte blanche authority over the budget by merely declaring "illegal/fraudulent/wasteful."

Go re-read the Constitution before posting this bullshit.

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