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Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by RachelF »

roskelld wrote: post #206

I don't know how accurate StatCounter is, but their latest report is showing the breakdown of OS users as: - Windows 11: 36% - Windows 10: 60% Using Steam Hardware survey, it shows: - Windows 11: 53.46% (-1.50%) - Windows 10: 42.87% (+0.48%) Whilst these numbers look very bad for Microsoft, especially given that we're less than 10 months away from Windows 10's home user support, it's potentially even worse if the dat…

I wonder how many hundreds of millions of Windows 10 machines are going to become e-waste because of Windows 11's TPM requirements?

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by freeone3000 »

globular-toast wrote: post #220
freeone3000 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How the documents look is everything . That’s what separates desktop publishing like Word from Notepad. The documents have to look the same and have to print the same. Legal cases depend on it. Academic submissions depend on it (Nature Communications template is not latex, it is word ). This is not something that can be omitted.

Word doesn't guarantee they look the same anyway. People send PDFs when they care about that.

Ah, but, “pdfs aren’t editable” and “pdfs cost more money to view”. People absolutely do use Word when they want documents to look the same, and will complain when the documents look different.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by asveikau »

ch_123 wrote: post #18

What is Microsoft hoping to accomplish here? Given the rate of adoption of Windows 11, it seems unlikely that a majority of Windows 10 users will replace their hardware between now and October. It also seems to me that the scenario where a majority of PC users are running an unsupported Windows release is likely to create MS more problems than is offset by potential revenue from a hardware refresh cycle. Is there an…

If you think of how much hardware is capable to run it but they're artificially blocking, it's also rather morally irresponsible from the perspective of e-waste.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by mystified5016 »

somenameforme wrote: post #95
ch_123 wrote: post #18

What is Microsoft hoping to accomplish here? Given the rate of adoption of Windows 11, it seems unlikely that a majority of Windows 10 users will replace their hardware between now and October. It also seems to me that the scenario where a majority of PC users are running an unsupported Windows release is likely to create MS more problems than is offset by potential revenue from a hardware refresh cycle. Is there an…

Be thankful you've never found yourself involved in the Microsoft system of APIs. They behave beyond irrationally. Perhaps somebody can explain why from an internal view, but from an external view it's like this - WPF was one of Microsoft's first UI frameworks released after the Winforms age. It was initially Windows only but had a large enough following that it eventually ended up getting non-official ports to just…

all of Microsoft's UI is like this and I really don't get it. Forms, WPF, and UWP were all abandoned at different stages of development.

Microsoft ships a UWP demo repository which includes the most fully functional Bluetooth manager anyone has ever built for W10. The stock Bluetooth manager has maybe 10% of the functionality. It's also fundamentally broken in a lot of ways. But this UWP demo they have should have been the stock app. It's wild.

Then of course you still have 50 year old UIs hiding in the lowest levels of the control panel. You can dig through the archeological record on your own pc and look at Win3 UI designs. It's astonishing.

At this point, I don't know anyone who uses any of Microsoft's UI frameworks for a real product. It's either QT or Avalonia or something. Who would ever trust their newest framework when every prior framework was abandoned half-finished and left to rot for years?

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by mystified5016 »

roskelld wrote: post #206

I don't know how accurate StatCounter is, but their latest report is showing the breakdown of OS users as: - Windows 11: 36% - Windows 10: 60% Using Steam Hardware survey, it shows: - Windows 11: 53.46% (-1.50%) - Windows 10: 42.87% (+0.48%) Whilst these numbers look very bad for Microsoft, especially given that we're less than 10 months away from Windows 10's home user support, it's potentially even worse if the dat…

I build and sell a product that is meant to talk to a windows host over Bluetooth.

My application does not work at all on W11. The Bluetooth stack is somehow even more broken than W10. It's to the point where we're developing our own wireless dongle to bypass this entire mess.

Microsoft has forcibly installed W11 on our test machine three times and every time it's completely broken and we have to revert.

It's not good.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by olyjohn »

skeaker wrote: post #203
vladvasiliu wrote: post #106

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I think it's about habit more than anything. People are used to Windows' sharp edges and have developed workarounds (just reboot it). But no, the experience is nowhere near "polished", and troubleshooting is a joke. "Something unexpected happened" or "contact your administrator" isn't exactly helpful. Sure, there may be some log somewhere in that godawful event viewer, but who has the patience to wait for that abomin…

"Just reboot it" is 1000x more polished than having to jump into the terminal or reinstall your OS (both of which are 100% inaccessible to the average user). Troubleshooting can be done by googling your issue on Windows whereas Linux has dozens of repos with that all require different troubleshooting steps on much more niche websites that won't come up on the first page of google while the average user doesn't know w…

Please. The standard for fixing Windows has been to backup and reinstall the OS for as long as I have used it. You can spend days trying to fix a problem with the OS, or just reinstall it in a couple of hours, most people go for the quick and easy reinstall. This is standard for phones, tablets too, since you can't actually even attempt to fix them.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by xmodem »

smw wrote: post #123
xmodem wrote: post #35

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I don't think there's anything going on here other than general corporate ham-fisted-ness. * Microsoft believes the improvements in windows 11 provide genuine benefit to their users. * Microsoft doesn't want to maintain their older OS forever. What we are seeing play out however is that the consumer / small business market either does not understand or does not care about those benefits. I don't see any viable end-st…

Wouldn't disallowing updates to Win 11 be the opposite of a logical plan if your goal was to get people upgraded to Win 11?

Depends why you want to get users upgraded. If you want your users to be upgraded so they have access to security improvements, and those security improvements require TPM 2.0 or whatever, then allowing upgrades on older systems without TPM 2.0 rather undermines the point of getting those users upgraded.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by scblock »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #149
pinoy420 wrote: post #112

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Office is moving web based. OWA is first class now, with Outlook New being a thin wrapper around it with some natives. Also their mockups all use macs primarily so “go figure”

I can tell you very definitely that the OWA apps for Word, Excel and Powerpoint have a way to go before being usable on complex/legacy documents.

So do the native apps. I can type faster than word can render my text.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by 66fm472tjy7 »

ch_123 wrote: post #18

What is Microsoft hoping to accomplish here? Given the rate of adoption of Windows 11, it seems unlikely that a majority of Windows 10 users will replace their hardware between now and October. It also seems to me that the scenario where a majority of PC users are running an unsupported Windows release is likely to create MS more problems than is offset by potential revenue from a hardware refresh cycle. Is there an…

puts tinfoil hat on

Ensuring that a critical mass of people use remote attestation[0] capable devices.

The next step is a browser API[1] for this so that content owners can exclude devices capable of storing the content, or stripping out ads/tracking, etc.

Sure, there will be a cat-and-mouse game where people will figure out how to fake the attestation for some period of time, but general computation[2] is probably on the way out.

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[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trusted_Computing...

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36817305

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg

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