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Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs
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Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs
#42The requirements for Windows 11 has really put computers with older hardware in a difficult spot. They are used to Windows so they want to stay there, I want to suggest Linux Mint but I am not aware of how much of the apps used daily is supported in Linux. Not every user want to fiddle with the terminal.
I recently found out that a friend of mine installed Linux on his own, completely removing his Windows install. And he has yet to "fiddle with the terminal", but still enjoys gaming on Steam and goes on with his daily routine.
One thing I've observed is that people who started using Linux a long time ago (which is my case) tend to slide into the command line, even when there's a perfectly good GUI alternative. Want to rename a file? Why use F2, just open a terminal, cd to the path, and mv the file.
Newer users who started with the GUI are less likely to have these habits.
Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
I recently found out that a friend of mine installed Linux on his own, completely removing his Windows install. And he has yet to "fiddle with the terminal", but still enjoys gaming on Steam and goes on with his daily routine.
Linux is in desperate need of a PR campaign. The popular distros are just as functional out of the box as Windows, but no one knows it.
In my experience, it is not about functionality. It is about polish, integrations, and troubleshooting. If you assume all your devices and software will work on Linux mint out of the box, great. But they won't. Then you end up spending hours trying to get the 5th mouse button to do what it does automatically in Windows. Sure there's a fancy utility on Linux that supports programming that mouse, good luck getting your mother to figure that out.
Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
> but are those features that people actually care about? The users? No. The corporations that make DRM? Yes.
Remember boot-sector viruses? The TPM helps prevent those. DRM is not something that the TPM enables or helps with or facilitates in any way. Please read this, and do your part to make the world a bit more educated, on average: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module#Overvi... If you don't dismiss my comment as the comment of a corporate shill, you might learn something, and in the future that knowledge…
> Remember boot-sector viruses? The TPM helps prevent those. DRM is not something that the TPM enables or helps with or facilitates in any way.
¿Porque no los dos? As noted elsewhere in this thread, TPM certainly facilitates VBS [0], and games like Valorant are already using that for anticheat [1]. As long as application programs can use it to help detect the environment being 'tampered' with (as opposed to the system just wrapping it up in a report for the user), they can use it to protect their particular application state, and I don't see why that shouldn't include DRM state.
[0] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/de...
[1] https://support-valorant.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/169...
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Valorant requires it for anticheat. The purpose is to prevent users from running unauthorized software on the computers they allegedly own. I wouldn't expect many examples to exist yet. You want to wait until almost everyone is on Windows 11 before you get up to those shenanigans.
> The purpose is to prevent users from running unauthorized software on the computers they allegedly own. I've maintained for several years now that the actual corporate wet dream is that they can lock down the average PC architecture/OS to the same degree they have on phones. Because unfortunately, in the phone sector, the market has already shown the majority of users don't care who really owns their devices. My ho…
Buy a Mac. You'll see that corporate dream come a reality. Immutable OS partition. Security prompts that can no longer be bypassed. Binary signing requirement. It just keeps getting worse and worse, for a power user.
May be "certified UNIX" (when you look at it funny), but it feels like no freedom-loving UNIX-style system I've ever used.
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> but are those features that people actually care about? The users? No. The corporations that make DRM? Yes.
What are some examples of DRM that uses TPM? What does TPM provide that stuff like SGX (which is already used in DRM) doesn't provide?
IIRC widewine requires TPM for highest quality (level1)?
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#48As a side note, Windows Server 2025 appears to share the OS base with Windows 11, but it doesn't seem to have the same requirements of CPU/TPM? Or am I wrong? (not that I'm suggesting to use Windows Server as a client OS, especially given its price tag)
Same with windows 11 iot eneterprise. It's just the regular Windows 11, but without tpm and specific cpu requirements. Anything core i from intel works
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Has HN stooped this low?
Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Does TPM support/requirements actually have any meaningful impact on a home user? Disk encryption, Windows Hello and PIN bruteforce prevention. I have no love Microsoft and avoid using Windows whenever I can, but I think making those features accessible to more people is a good thing.
VBS also requires it, which is a big improvement to Windows' security. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/de...
But Hyper-V is also a Windows 11 Pro feature (I get that it can be enabled on Home).