They are using the wrong tactics. They should use the "Kleenex" argument and say it's generic. But what do I know.
Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
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Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#52I hope this is good marketing for Deno and not just a huge distraction. I feel like Bun is running circles around them right now. I feel like there might even be room for 3 winners (Bun, Deno, Node) but I don't understand the point of this.
If Deno wins this battle will that make we want use Deno more?
Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Believe it or not IE was still supported in some capacity until 2022, and the underlying Trident engine is still supported until at least 2029. Edge has an official "IE Mode" which switches the backend from Chromium to Trident, effectively turning it into IE with a modern skin. Microsoft support lifecycles are no joke.
That sounds dangerous.
The good news is that most of the web simply doesn't work in Trident at this point, so users won't be tempted to use it for anything other than the 20 year old ActiveX horror that their company refuses to replace.
Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#54Just call it ECMAScript and forget about "Java". "JavaScript" was not a good choice of name to begin with. The original JavaScript did not have much in common with Java.
I remember briefly calling it DHTML. But that was ages ago.
Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#55Maybe I’m missing something… I get it that Oracle is in the wrong but I’m still not sure why get in this trademark fight anyhow. I would personally leave it to someone with much larger pockets like Microsoft to deal with.
Well, it appears nobody else has taken the lead on this since 1997 so…
Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#56Calling EMCAScript JavaScript was a huge mistake that is still biting us.
OR alternatively, just not coming up with a better alternative name that ECMAScript. If there was a catchier alternative name that was less awkward to pronounce, people might more happily have switched over.
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Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#57They are using the wrong tactics. They should use the "Kleenex" argument and say it's generic. But what do I know.
They're doing both - the issue is that the fraud issue either gets dropped (which Ryan doesn't want to do) or it blocks the second "generic" issue until resolved.
> Oracle waited until the deadline to file this motion, delaying their response to the real issue: whether “JavaScript” is a generic term.
and
> Oracle won’t even discuss whether “JavaScript” should remain a trademark until they’ve finished dragging out this fraud claim.
> This legal maneuvering puts us in a difficult position:
> 1. Agree to drop the fraud claim, letting them get away with misrepresenting their trademark renewal.
> 2. Spend months fighting this procedural issue before even getting to the real debate.
Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#58Calling EMCAScript JavaScript was a huge mistake that is still biting us.
OR alternatively, just not coming up with a better alternative name that ECMAScript. If there was a catchier alternative name that was less awkward to pronounce, people might more happily have switched over.
"JS" because of the .js file extension.
ECMAScript version history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECMAScript_version_history
"Java" is an island in Indonesia associated with coffee beans from the Dutch East Indies that Sun Microsystems named their portable software after.
Coffee production in Indonesia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_production_in_Indonesia... :
> Certain estates age a portion of their coffee for up to five years, normally in large burlap sacks, which are regularly aired, dusted, and flipped.
Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#59Hear me out: the web / oss community could absolutely band together and rebrand JavaScript. Could be: LiveScript, WebScript, etc. There would be good support and we could do it fairly swiftly. To hell with Oracle.
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Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
The npm package for Oracle JET, with ~1000 weekly downloads, has four dependent packages on npm, and if you walk down the dependency tree it’s nearly entirely other Oracle packages or long dead demos/one-shots. That 1,000 weekly downloads could be entirely from CI pipelines for those other Oracle projects. The phone call is coming from inside the house, Larry!
They do have more users than that, but from memory they typically distribute it in some other interesting way - i think there's a CLI that installs and manages it.
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