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Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

#41

Hear me out: the web / oss community could absolutely band together and rebrand JavaScript. Could be: LiveScript, WebScript, etc. There would be good support and we could do it fairly swiftly. To hell with Oracle.

We could also rebrand it as Js and it would be the funniest thing ever. Few things would make me happier than seeing Oracle being screwed by something that's technically correct, but clearly nonsense to every living human being.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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I wouldn't say 2019 is particularly old. I didn't even know IE still existed at the time - I thought it had been replaced by Edge.

Believe it or not IE was still supported in some capacity until 2022, and the underlying Trident engine is still supported until at least 2029. Edge has an official "IE Mode" which switches the backend from Chromium to Trident, effectively turning it into IE with a modern skin. Microsoft support lifecycles are no joke.

>Microsoft support lifecycles are no joke.

Except for Mail and Calendar that they randomly decided to murder and replace with some Outlook webapp garbage.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

#43

I've always been fascinated by Larry Ellison ever since I read his biography (God something something). What's insane is how much of the culture he controls. In tech and outside. He's about to own the largest entertainment company, he owns some of the best real estate in the world, and he owns MySQL and Java. Genius (or maybe evil genius).

'The Difference Between God and Larry Ellison[0]', Mike Wilson. It's a worthwhile read, and I think the joke is funny.

[0] - God doesn't think he's Larry Ellison

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Believe it or not IE was still supported in some capacity until 2022, and the underlying Trident engine is still supported until at least 2029. Edge has an official "IE Mode" which switches the backend from Chromium to Trident, effectively turning it into IE with a modern skin. Microsoft support lifecycles are no joke.

>Microsoft support lifecycles are no joke. Except for Mail and Calendar that they randomly decided to murder and replace with some Outlook webapp garbage.

They'll support anything nearly forever if that's what their big support contracts want, but unfortunately their interests won't always align with yours...

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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I wouldn't say 2019 is particularly old. I didn't even know IE still existed at the time - I thought it had been replaced by Edge.

Believe it or not IE was still supported in some capacity until 2022, and the underlying Trident engine is still supported until at least 2029. Edge has an official "IE Mode" which switches the backend from Chromium to Trident, effectively turning it into IE with a modern skin. Microsoft support lifecycles are no joke.

That sounds dangerous.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

#46

Just call it ECMAScript and forget about "Java". "JavaScript" was not a good choice of name to begin with. The original JavaScript did not have much in common with Java.

"WebScript". Call it what it is (non-web uses notwithstanding).

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

#47
> So last November, I filed a formal petition with the USPTO through my company, Deno, to cancel Oracle’s “JavaScript” trademark. Among other things, we pointed out that in 2019, Oracle renewed its trademark by submitting a screenshot of the Node.js website—a project I created—as proof of use, despite having no affiliation with it.

Clown world. We go about thinking our legal system might have some flaws but generally "works"

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

#48
I'm glad this is being fought, Oracle is a demon.

> The major implementations of JavaScript are in the browsers built by Mozilla, Google, Apple, and Microsoft

Isn't MS's browser just Chromium? Weird to add them to the list when they don't build a browser any more. Why not add Brave, etc?

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Just call it ECMAScript and forget about "Java". "JavaScript" was not a good choice of name to begin with. The original JavaScript did not have much in common with Java.

"WebScript". Call it what it is (non-web uses notwithstanding).

HTSL, Hypertext Scripting Language

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

#50

Maybe I’m missing something… I get it that Oracle is in the wrong but I’m still not sure why get in this trademark fight anyhow. I would personally leave it to someone with much larger pockets like Microsoft to deal with.

Oracle will fight like hell if there is a slightest chance to earn royalty from that trademark.

edit: Microsoft or other companies have no financial benefit on that fight. Even Deno itself has no financial benefit as well. This fight is for goodwill but not justifiable for financial terms (unless you can be the next owner of JavaScript trademark)

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