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Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by psunavy03 »

profsummergig wrote: post #18

I've always been fascinated by Larry Ellison ever since I read his biography (God something something). What's insane is how much of the culture he controls. In tech and outside. He's about to own the largest entertainment company, he owns some of the best real estate in the world, and he owns MySQL and Java. Genius (or maybe evil genius).

There's a reason the joke is that "Oracle" stands for One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by dangrossman »

tom1337 wrote: post #12
kingforaday wrote: post #4

Anyone else read the article and say Oracle JET? What is that?

Yea their CLI has 510 Weekly Downloads on npm and JET itself nearly 1000. https://www.npmjs.com/package/@oracle/ojet-cli https://www.npmjs.com/package/@oracle/oraclejet

A date picker widget I tossed on NPM 13 years ago gets 32,000 downloads per week. 510 a week is background activity, that's indexing bots or one org's CI system.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by stephen_g »

ryao wrote: post #22

Calling EMCAScript JavaScript was a huge mistake that is still biting us.

OR alternatively, just not coming up with a better alternative name that ECMAScript. If there was a catchier alternative name that was less awkward to pronounce, people might more happily have switched over.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by phpnode »

kingforaday wrote: post #4

Anyone else read the article and say Oracle JET? What is that?

it's Oracle's UI library that they encourage their official partners to use. I've had the misfortune of doing some consulting for a company that used it, it's actually very fully featured but the internals are totally insane and very dated.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by leptons »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #15
29athrowaway wrote: post #14

Just call it ECMAScript and forget about "Java". "JavaScript" was not a good choice of name to begin with. The original JavaScript did not have much in common with Java.

Brendan Eich said "ECMAScript was always an unwanted trade name that sounds like a skin disease". I think the general sentiment is shared fairly broadly.

Microsoft called their version "JScript", including JScript.NET.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by phpnode »

threecheese wrote: post #19
kingforaday wrote: post #4

Anyone else read the article and say Oracle JET? What is that?

The npm package for Oracle JET, with ~1000 weekly downloads, has four dependent packages on npm, and if you walk down the dependency tree it’s nearly entirely other Oracle packages or long dead demos/one-shots. That 1,000 weekly downloads could be entirely from CI pipelines for those other Oracle projects. The phone call is coming from inside the house, Larry!

They do have more users than that, but from memory they typically distribute it in some other interesting way - i think there's a CLI that installs and manages it.

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Post by olestr »

29athrowaway wrote: post #14

Just call it ECMAScript and forget about "Java". "JavaScript" was not a good choice of name to begin with. The original JavaScript did not have much in common with Java.

LiveScript was, and still is, a much better name

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by forgetfreeman »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #15
29athrowaway wrote: post #14

Just call it ECMAScript and forget about "Java". "JavaScript" was not a good choice of name to begin with. The original JavaScript did not have much in common with Java.

Brendan Eich said "ECMAScript was always an unwanted trade name that sounds like a skin disease". I think the general sentiment is shared fairly broadly.

Yep. There are also many of us that wish it'd stuck out of a deep seated love for truth in advertising.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by jollofricepeas »

Maybe I’m missing something…

I get it that Oracle is in the wrong but I’m still not sure why get in this trademark fight anyhow.

I would personally leave it to someone with much larger pockets like Microsoft to deal with.

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