Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
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Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#2The best part of this article for me was seeing that Oracle's screenshots were taken in IE.
Yes, those are old by now, but it's still a blast from the past.
Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#3Knowing Oracle, they will take it to court if they can. To paraphrase Cantrill, it's a company that behaves very much like a lawnmower.
Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#4Anyone else read the article and say Oracle JET? What is that?
Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#5The best part of this article for me was seeing that Oracle's screenshots were taken in IE. Yes, those are old by now, but it's still a blast from the past.
I wouldn't say 2019 is particularly old. I didn't even know IE still existed at the time - I thought it had been replaced by Edge.
Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#6Knowing Oracle, they will take it to court if they can. To paraphrase Cantrill, it's a company that behaves very much like a lawnmower.
If you want to personify the mistaken belief "if a company can make money legally then it is obliged in law to do it, to maximise shareholder value" thing: Oracle is that company. There is only one goal. Immediate reporting cycle uptick benefit. There is no other goal.
I can think of almost no play they have made in the market which has any longterm net beneficial outcome for the entire market, despite "grow a bigger market" being a thing. We would have ZFS in a lot more places, if Oracle hadn't made a short term licence play, and muddied the waters.
We used to hate on a range of companies about their IBM like qualities (market dominance, bad behaviour inside the law) but now, IBM is a pale shadow, and Oracle has taken the crown.
Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
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Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#8Anyone else read the article and say Oracle JET? What is that?
It is literally for the best if you don't find out, to not legitimize this ridiculous argument they're making that JavaScript hasn't genericized.
But because you'll be too curious to resist now, from what I can tell it's a preact bootstrapping script with 500 weekly downloads on NPM.
Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#9I appreciate Ryan taking this up, and the updates are interesting.
Obviously I'm not paying for the lawyers but it feels like "oh Oracle is trying to add months of delays" feels pretty normal. Only months! If the process just trudges along for a couple of years before reaching a "good" conclusion, still worth doing!
And very happy that this is an actual legal proceeding and "try to sign a petition asking Oracle nicely" is no longer what is being looked at. It's Oracle!
Imagine how far along ago we would be[0] if 2 years ago the lawyers started getting involved. Sometimes you just gotta do the thing that takes forever. Or at least try in parallel?
[0]: Again, I'm not paying for the lawyers or doing anything useful at all!
Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#10This response is just saying that "no we didn't fraudulently submit the node.js site, it's just (hand-waving)".
They also state that they expect to win on the generic-ness aspect of the suit at trial with the relevant audience (hah).
Most likely we'll see Oracle send out C&Ds to uses of Javascript without the (tm) Oracle for a few months before a trial starts. Whether that will be enough to convince a judge and/or jury that they haven't abandoned the trademark is another question.