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AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by Muromec »

nkmnz wrote: post #262
philipov wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me the key phrase in that definition is "that may exhibit adaptiveness after deployment" - If your code doesn't change its own operation without needing to be redeployed, it's not AI under this definition. If adaptation requires deployment, such as pushing a new version, that's not AI.

I've personally reviewed all 7b parameters of my model and they won't adapt after deployment :)

That means you can answer the question whether they comply with the relevant law in the necessary jurisdiction and can prove that to the regulator. That should be easy, right? If it's not, maybe it's better to use two regexps instead.

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Post by olivierduval »

thrance wrote: post #269

> AI that manipulates a person’s decisions subliminally or deceptively. Can we use this to ban X and other American algorithmic political propaganda tools?

Actually that could be an interesting case... except if Twitter can show that its algorithm is "deterministic"

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Post by Muromec »

impossiblefork wrote: post #81
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #33

I am not expert but there seems to be an overlap in the article between 'AI' and well ... just software, or signal processing: - AI that collects “real time” biometric data in public places for the purposes of law enforcement. - AI that creates — or expands — facial recognition databases by scraping images online or from security cameras. - AI that uses biometrics to infer a person’s characteristics - AI that collect…

I wouldn't be surprised if it does cover all software. After all, chess solvers are AI.

that's what DORA the explora of your unit tests Act is

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Post by thrance »

2rsf wrote: post #272
thrance wrote: post #269

> AI that manipulates a person’s decisions subliminally or deceptively. Can we use this to ban X and other American algorithmic political propaganda tools?

Are they using AI for that? algorithmic doesn't necessarily mean AI

Right after Musk bought twitter, the code for the algorithm was open sourced and I took a look at it. I don't know if it's still open today but anyways, there was some ML stuff in it at the time. I guess it would depend on what constitutes "AI" to European legislators.

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frereubu wrote: post #260

I always sigh when I see these threads on HN because many of the comments (although not all, thankfully) devolve into US / EU name-calling and wild overgeneralisations. I would really love to see a Q&A thread like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42770125 from someone who's actually read the documents, practices law in the area, and also understands the difference between US and EU law.

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Post by kamma4434 »

I would frankly love if EU bodies were to plunge 10 K into the Realtime ad tracking industry as explained here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42909921 , buy a lot of data of European citizens so that they have proof of sharing illegally, and then proceed suing the hell out of all parties involved. That would make me feel better about them doing something, Instead of regulating and regulating stuff that does not exist yet

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Post by zelphirkalt »

jorisboris wrote: post #230
dmix wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this just based on hypothetical scenario they sat in a room coming up with or has such a thing been tried and harmed people?

I once tried building a Macbook app which lowers my music volume when I'm not smiling, to try to stimulate more happy emotions (forcing yourself to smile induces happy feelings) Then I started thinking how this could be used in restaurants to see if waiters smile to the people they are serving Or in customer service (you can actually hear it when people smile on the phone) Then I realised that this kind of tech would…

We cannot extend your work contract, based on your performance the last week. You definitely did not smile enough. Our systems indicate, that you were also not happy enough a sufficient portion of the time you worked.

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Post by olivierduval »

"Companies that are found to be using any of the above AI applications in the EU will be subject to fines, regardless of where they are headquartered. They could be on the hook for up to €35 million (~$36 million), or 7% of their annual revenue from the prior fiscal year, whichever is greater."

US did a real gift to the world with "extra-territorial" laws: now EU use it everywhere too !!!! :-)

Sooooo... the GAFAM either will have to "limit" some of their AI system when used in EU (NOT including EU citizen that may be abroad, but including foreign citizen in the EU) or to be fined.

And I guess that this kind of fines may accumulate with GDPR for example...

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by 2rsf »

frantzmiccoli wrote: post #266
frereubu wrote: post #260

I always sigh when I see these threads on HN because many of the comments (although not all, thankfully) devolve into US / EU name-calling and wild overgeneralisations. I would really love to see a Q&A thread like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42770125 from someone who's actually read the documents, practices law in the area, and also understands the difference between US and EU law.

Not a lawyer, not versed in US and EU Law, but ... I read (part) of the regulation. https://outofthecomfortzone.frantzmiccoli.com/thoughts/2024/... and here is my shameless plug.

Not a lawyer, only an engineer starting to assess our AI models.

Your comparison to GDPR seems to be correct in a way, both are quite vague and wide. The implementation of GDPR is still unclear in certain situations and it was even worse when it was launched, the EU AI act have very little references to work with and except for very obvious area it is still a lot of a guesswork

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