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AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by lksaar »

lyime wrote: post #168

Do the same rules apply to the government entities luke law enforcement and security services?

> For example, the Act permits law enforcement to use certain systems that collect biometrics in public places if those systems help perform a “targeted search” for, say, an abduction victim, or to help prevent a “specific, substantial, and imminent” threat to life. This exemption requires authorization from the appropriate governing body, and the Act stresses that law enforcement can’t make a decision that “produces an adverse legal effect” on a person solely based on these systems’ outputs.

yes

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Post by BrenBarn »

hcfman wrote: post #55

Laws that are open to interpretation with drastic consequences if it's interpreted against your favour pose unacceptable risk to business investors and stifle innovation.

A heck of a lot of what passes for "innovation" these days is stuff I absolutely want to stifle.

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Post by spunker540 »

dingnuts wrote: post #132
throwaway743 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I trained a CV model to tell me the temp when I stand in front of the mirror based on if my nipples are hard or not, and how hard or soft they are.

if you set up your thermostat to respond to the output from your model you could get it to turn up the temperature by pinching your nipples

Too bad the EU will never experience such innovation

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Post by dathinab »

DocTomoe wrote: post #124
dijksterhuis wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the act: > to assess or predict the risk of a natural person committing a criminal offence, based solely on the profiling of a natural person or on assessing their personality traits and characteristics ; more details in recital 42: https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/recital/42/

In all fairness, that would still ban a system that understands my front door being approached by a guy in a postal uniform wearing a parcel is likely unproblematic, while a guy wearing a hoodie and a crowbar is likely to commit a crime.

no it doesn't because here you are accessing their actions (approaching your front door in some unusual context like holding a crow bar)

in addition, having front doors idk. calling the police on people just because it's a "unusual" situation would be quite dystopian and would most likely for society as a whole lead to far more damage then it would prevent so instead of your door trying to "detect maybe soon to happen crime" it could "try to detect unusual situation which might require human actions" and then have the human (you someone or in a call center if you aren't available) do the actions (which might be just one or two button presses, nothing prevents you to take the action by directing the AI to do it for you)

and lets not forget we are speaking about before the break in (and maybe no break in at all because it's actually a Halloween costume or similar), if the system detects someone braking in we have a action

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

jampekka wrote: post #105
apwell23 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe is still riding high on the wealth they stole from the colonies. That well is going to run dry soon.

Sure. And USA will follow once the dollar dominance wanes. I, for one, welcome our Chinese communist overlords.

Both share of global investments denominated in dollars and the US share of world GDP have increased in the past 25 years.

A vibrant tech ecosystem is a large part of the reason for both.

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Post by scarface_74 »

gjm11 wrote: post #111
HPsquared wrote: post #86

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So why does every website persist in annoying their users? Are they all (or 99%) simply stupid? I have a hard time believing that.

It's (at least in some cases) malice, not stupidity. By putting cookie banners everywhere and pretending that they are a requirement of the GDPR, the owners of the websites (or of the tracking systems attached to those websites) (1) provide an opportunity for people to say "yes" to tracking they would almost certainly actually prefer not to happen, and (2) inflict an annoyance on people and blame it on the GDPR . The…

You really think American companies are playing that level of 3D chess? I see cookie banners on corporate sites that have no ads.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

scarface_74 wrote: post #178
gjm11 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's (at least in some cases) malice, not stupidity. By putting cookie banners everywhere and pretending that they are a requirement of the GDPR, the owners of the websites (or of the tracking systems attached to those websites) (1) provide an opportunity for people to say "yes" to tracking they would almost certainly actually prefer not to happen, and (2) inflict an annoyance on people and blame it on the GDPR . The…

You really think American companies are playing that level of 3D chess? I see cookie banners on corporate sites that have no ads.

Monkey see monkey do.

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by Dylan16807 »

scarface_74 wrote: post #62
MattPalmer1086 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU just prioritises protection for its citizens over tech industry profits. They are also not opposed to ad revenue and tracking; only that people must consent to being tracked, no sneaky spying. I'm quite happy for tech to have those restrictions.

The EU right now is telling Meta that it is illegal to give users the option of either ads based on behavior on the platform or charging a monthly subscription fee.

Good.

(And they are allowed to run as many non-tracking ads as they want.)

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