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AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by jeltz »

gamedever wrote: post #88
spacemanspiff01 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the laws text: For the purposes of this Regulation, the following definitions apply: (1) ‘AI system’ means a machine-based system that is designed to operate with varying levels of autonomy and that may exhibit adaptiveness after deployment, and that, for explicit or implicit objectives, infers, from the input it receives, how to generate outputs such as predictions, content, recommendations, or decisions that c…

So no more predicting the weather with sensors?

Do you use biometric data to predict the weather?

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by cccbbbaaa »

mhitza wrote: post #45
troupo wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of relying on Techcrunch and speculating, you could read sections (33), (42), and (59) of the EU AI Act yourself.

Article 59 seems relevant, other two on a quick skim don't seem to relate to the subject. > 2. For the purposes of the prevention, investigation, detection or prosecution of criminal offences or the execution of criminal penalties, including safeguarding against and preventing threats to public security, under the control and responsibility of law enforcement authorities, the processing of personal data in AI regulat…

There is the same kind of language in GDPR (see article 2(2)D), but it still did not prevent this decision: https://www.laquadrature.net/en/2025/01/31/justice-finally-f...

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by belter »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #33

I am not expert but there seems to be an overlap in the article between 'AI' and well ... just software, or signal processing: - AI that collects “real time” biometric data in public places for the purposes of law enforcement. - AI that creates — or expands — facial recognition databases by scraping images online or from security cameras. - AI that uses biometrics to infer a person’s characteristics - AI that collect…

Yes its simplifying. There are more details here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42916414

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Post by layer8 »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #33

I am not expert but there seems to be an overlap in the article between 'AI' and well ... just software, or signal processing: - AI that collects “real time” biometric data in public places for the purposes of law enforcement. - AI that creates — or expands — facial recognition databases by scraping images online or from security cameras. - AI that uses biometrics to infer a person’s characteristics - AI that collect…

Yes, you are better off reading the actual act, like the linked article 5: https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/article/5/

This is not about data collection (GDPR already takes care of that), but about AI-based categorization and identification.

"AI system" and other terms are defined in article 3: https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/article/3/

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by jampekka »

apwell23 wrote: post #100
jampekka wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The usage covering "unacceptable risk" is stuff that's either illegal or heavily regulated already in human operation too. > Also, this kind of laws would make Europeans to stay at the loser side of the AI competition as China and mostly every US corporation doesn't care about that. Not sure that's a game I want to win.

Europe is still riding high on the wealth they stole from the colonies. That well is going to run dry soon.

Sure. And USA will follow once the dollar dominance wanes.

I, for one, welcome our Chinese communist overlords.

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Post by ykonstant »

sethd wrote: post #97
teekert wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have been having a lot of laughs about all the things we call AI nowadays. Now it’s becoming less funny. To me it’s just generative AI, LLMs, media generation. But I see the CNN folks suddenly getting “AI” attention. Anything deep learning really. It’s pretty weird. Even our old batch processing, SLURM based clusters with GPU nodes are now “AI Factories”.

Even the A* search algorithm is technically AI.

Oh man, I really want to watch CNN folks try to pronounce Dijkstra!

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by layer8 »

theptip wrote: post #89

Seems like a mostly reasonable list of things to not let AI do without better safety evals. > AI that tries to infer people’s emotions at work or school I wonder how broadly this will be construed. For example if an agent uses CoT and they needs emotional state as part of that, can it be used in a work or school setting at all?

This quote is inaccurate. The actual wording is: "the placing on the market, the putting into service for this specific purpose, or the use of AI systems to infer emotions of a natural person in the areas of workplace and education institutions, except where the use of the AI system is intended to be put in place or into the market for medical or safety reasons;" and it links to https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/recital/44/ for rationale.

So, this targets the use case of a third party using AI to detect the emotional state of a person.

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Post by unification_fan »

layer8 wrote: post #107
theptip wrote: post #89

Seems like a mostly reasonable list of things to not let AI do without better safety evals. > AI that tries to infer people’s emotions at work or school I wonder how broadly this will be construed. For example if an agent uses CoT and they needs emotional state as part of that, can it be used in a work or school setting at all?

This quote is inaccurate. The actual wording is: "the placing on the market, the putting into service for this specific purpose, or the use of AI systems to infer emotions of a natural person in the areas of workplace and education institutions, except where the use of the AI system is intended to be put in place or into the market for medical or safety reasons;" and it links to https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/r…

We need to profile your every thought and emotion. Don't worry though, it's for medical or safety reasons only. Same for your internet history... You know, terrorism and all. Can't have that.

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Post by throwaway743 »

jeltz wrote: post #101
gamedever wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So no more predicting the weather with sensors?

Do you use biometric data to predict the weather?

I trained a CV model to tell me the temp when I stand in front of the mirror based on if my nipples are hard or not, and how hard or soft they are.

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by layer8 »

ItsBob wrote: post #19

> AI that attempts to predict people committing crimes based on their appearance. FTFY: AI that attempts to predict people committing crimes. By "appearance" are they talking about a guy wearing a hoodie must be a hacker or are we talking about race/colour/religious garb etc? I'd rather they just didn't use it for any kind of criminal application at all if I have a say in it! Just my $0.02

The actual wording is: "based solely on the profiling of a natural person or on assessing their personality traits and characteristics".

The Techcrunch article oversimplifies and is borderline misleading.

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