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GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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GenAI is not capable of making art. Self expression is not only inherent in art, it’s essential. What AI does is make pretty pictures, but nothing more. It’s not a tool for making art because it removes the means for artistic expression. It’s possible for someone to make art from GenAI outputs, but that requires taking artistic liberties post generation.

> It’s possible for someone to make art from GenAI outputs, but that requires taking artistic liberties post generation.

Plenty of people use others' expressions as a form of art, (sharing song lyrics, singing others' songs in the shower, cat memes, and so on).

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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No, Chatbot All The Things is the least imaginative use of "AI." There's even a chatbot to search your Chrome history [1]. Nothing screams solution in search of a problem more than this. [1] https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/15248971

Although the chatbot in chrome devtools is really useful. I selected a DOM node and ask "why isn't this visible" and it queried the DOM, css and figured out the height was 0 and explained exactly what lead to it being 0.

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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I'm what people who know me call a "creative person", but generative AI for images and especially music really is a terrific tool. > What if the point of art is that we actually make it? It seems the author's point is the struggle and effort is what makes it worthwhile, but I kind of disagree. I used to pour a ton of time, effort, and heart into making something I wanted to see or hear, but unfortunately the results…

Art is often still something people do to sell to others. Possibly sport and fitness are the real examples of what machines can't do for us. I spend hours a day over years as a kid perfecting my jump shot and my fastball. Ran miles a day. Here in middle-age, I haven't been in any team sports since school, but still spend a lot of time lifting, working on basic range of motion, and have quite a bit of fun getting as good as I can get at skateboarding and rock climbing.

If you gave me an exoskelton that I could put on that would allow me to just do those things without any practice, I would not want that. I'm not just looking for the thrill of being on the board or hanging from a rock wall. Building the skill to do it myself is the point.

I haven't been into any more explicitly artistic creative endeavors since high school, but I think I'd have said the same thing then. I spent 60-100 hours per painting back then, and I did it because I enjoyed doing it, I enjoyed seeing the fruit of lots and lots of practice, developing skills. If I could have just pressed a button and had the same paintings but not done them myself, it's hard to see what the point of that would have been. The effort involved was most of the reason I even wanted to do it. But this was 30 years ago and I guess it was different days. We had schoolwide and district-wide art shows and it was cool to win awards, but I wasn't selling anything or trying to gain fame in an attention economy, never hoped to make any kind of living off of art and I never did.

I would have said the same about school band, too. Probably a programmed synthesizer could have produced better melody than me, but physically practicing and playing the instruments myself was part of the point to me.

But I think this reveals at least two entirely different purposes to art, creativity, skill, whatever, reflected different in the author, myself, and you. I don't mean to invalidate your approach by any means. Creating something you and others love, by any means at all, even automatically by machine, is entirely valid. There is still that other side, though. Think of the whole meme of engineers who take up woodworking. I highly doubt they ever really make better furniture than could have been made by some more automatic means that doesn't involve their own labor, only expressing a desire and letting someone or something else do the work. But that isn't the point. They're doing it because they want to make something they tangibly did themselves, even if it's shit at first, shit for a long time, or even shit forever. It's why my neighbor (we live in downtown townhouses) insists of growing her own peppers. They're not better than she could buy from the store, or cheaper. DIY is its own reward.

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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post #34

Of all the things I do with AI, art is probably the one I do the most. When you create written content on the internet, "the algorithm" rewards you more if you add art to it. I am not an artist, but I can write good. So when I'm done writing, I pop over to my AI image generator, describe a few images I want, pop them into the post, and away I go! And then boom, greater engagement. As an added bonus, I don't have to w…

Once I was an editorial illustrator, and the mantra always was "concept is king". Stick figures are kosher so long as they communicate something.

Impressionists emerged following the invention of the camera, as they had no more incentive to pursue realism. I think in the age of AI slop any form of crude image making is better so long as it's human. Scribble something out with crayons. Shape an animal out of a slice of bread, post a pic. It's all legit now, technical art abilities mean nothing. To impress you actually have to have a good idea.

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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As a software engineer and artist[1], my views on art and generative AI have been evolving.

In my opinion, GenAI has revealed that the art isn't primarily in the creation, but in the selection. It used to take incredible talent to create something worth selecting (writing, painting, sculpture, etc), so creation and selection were often so close to be seen as indistinguishable. A technically skilled artist was likely to create something great, because they were likely making high quality selective decisions all along the creation process. So the end result of a gifted writer was probably a high quality work.

But now the creation of technically skilled works has become detached from the selection process. Now we're flooded with technically skilled work, but no selection. But the selection process is still critical to make something compelling and innovative. The artist needs to evolve to inject themselves into selective decisions of GenAI, both in the process and in selecting the final result.

1. https://youtu.be/ggRcDQZWD_8?t=1253

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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post #42

GenAI is not capable of making art. Self expression is not only inherent in art, it’s essential. What AI does is make pretty pictures, but nothing more. It’s not a tool for making art because it removes the means for artistic expression. It’s possible for someone to make art from GenAI outputs, but that requires taking artistic liberties post generation.

As far as I understand, art is typically understood to have two components: expression and impression. The creation of something, anything, as a form of self-expression, is considered art. Additionally, though, art is in eyes of the beholder. If a feeling is inspired in someone by the observation of a thing, act, etc, then it becomes art to them, in that moment. Notably, though, it doesn't necessarily make that thing art to anyone else, unless it is curated at which point that curation is a form of expression.

These definitions are distinct from the requirements for copyright.

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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post #34

Of all the things I do with AI, art is probably the one I do the most. When you create written content on the internet, "the algorithm" rewards you more if you add art to it. I am not an artist, but I can write good. So when I'm done writing, I pop over to my AI image generator, describe a few images I want, pop them into the post, and away I go! And then boom, greater engagement. As an added bonus, I don't have to w…

Would you consider the images you create to be art?

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Inventions like the dishwasher for domestic use never really led to meaningful work reduction for the people (women) doing this kind of work.

The dishwasher, maybe not, but a washing machine is reducing the laundry work by a lot. Have you ever tried to do your laundry by hand?

Yes, life for housewives and mothers before the washing machine was hell. There are still billions of women in the world slaving away beating clothes on rocks.

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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post #57
post #34

Of all the things I do with AI, art is probably the one I do the most. When you create written content on the internet, "the algorithm" rewards you more if you add art to it. I am not an artist, but I can write good. So when I'm done writing, I pop over to my AI image generator, describe a few images I want, pop them into the post, and away I go! And then boom, greater engagement. As an added bonus, I don't have to w…

Would you consider the images you create to be art?

Of course. The writing I create is art too. There is still creativity involved: I still have to come up with the prompt for the AI.

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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This is a boomer take. Technology in music has evolved over time and people continue to enjoy old and new music nonetheless, whether it's created from samples on a computer or performed live at a bar, despite the fact that people decry every generation that the next generation's music is not real music.
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