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Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by spudlyo »

belter wrote: post #59
bondarchuk wrote: post #9

No Latin version?

It's coming...they are discussing how to conjugate "machine learning" correctly.

Machine learning is a "noun phrase" and not a verb, so it does not conjugate, the words in the phrase decline. I personally would go with "ēruditio machinārum" (the learning of the machines).

The word ēruditio (learning/erudition) is in the nominative case while machinārum is in the genitive plural of māchina.

Note: I am a noob Latin language learner, if you're interested check out the great textbook LLPSI[0]!

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_%C3%98rberg#LINGVA_LATINA...

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by mattgreenrocks »

thomassmith65 wrote: post #89

In the future - perhaps even the near future - we may have AIs with richer inner lives than humans. Hopefully the situations we put them in, as they do our work, don't cause them pain or anguish. It's clear already they will have an uphill battle gaining any recognition of personhood from us.

I cannot not respond to this comment. Forgive me if I seem short in tone.

Maybe we should be helping people develop richer inner lives instead of pouring billions of dollars into something that may or may not pan out in the future. I assert it'd be vastly cheaper, would raise GDP overall, and improve well-being. Where we're at collectively right now is...not great, and I think people correctly perceive that their problems, which are real and significant, are theirs alone to suffer with, while the world chases the current white whale.

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by moralestapia »

b3lvedere wrote: post #6

" However, while AI holds many possibilities for promoting the good, it can also hinder or even counter human development and the common good. Pope Francis has noted that “evidence to date suggests that digital technologies have increased inequality in our world. Not just differences in material wealth, which are also significant, but also differences in access to political and social influence.”[103] In this sense,…

Why would he be, though?

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by ninetyninenine »

kouru225 wrote: post #43
exe34 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have faith that AI will wield unimaginable powers, but I also know that there will be rich people behind them making the decisions on how best to crush the rest of us.

If we have AGI then I doubt that the rich people will be able to control it at all

The hardware running the AI will be expensive hence it will be controlled by rich people.

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by nemomarx »

throw0101c wrote: post #144
nemomarx wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

right but the "only in communion with God" part seems less supported than the general need for love in a community/ fulfillment. You have to do some leaps to get a universal loving god.

> right but the "only in communion with God" part seems less supported than the general need for love in a community/ fulfillment. In the Christian tradition, love of neighbour is important: > "Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?" He [Jesus] said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the greatest and first commandmen…

Right, but you're taking as granted that people believe this, that they know about Christian theology, that it's true, that God exists, and so on?

That's a lot of leaps in logic. Knowing that people find community fulfilling can be observed in the people around you without any of that background, so surely it's the simpler concept?

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by XCSme »

mistrial9 wrote: post #140
XCSme wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with most of it, but saying that holism doesn't exist is weird. Also, humans have definitely created things that are better, at least in some aspects, than humans. Cars are faster than humans. Even AI-specific, AI chess engines are a lot stronger than any human alive, even then all humans combined.

"cars are better than people because they are faster" ? at what cost? with what side-effects? what is missing?

That's true, the implications are not necessarily positive.

I was just criticizing the idea that it's impossible for something to make something better than itself. Maybe not in all aspects, but at least in some, it's definitely possible.

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by GreenWatermelon »

breuleux wrote: post #126
simonw wrote: post #19

I enjoyed this bit - great use of the word "idolatry": ---- 104. Technology offers remarkable tools to oversee and develop the world's resources. However, in some cases, humanity is increasingly ceding control of these resources to machines. Within some circles of scientists and futurists, there is optimism about the potential of artificial general intelligence (AGI), a hypothetical form of AI that would match or sur…

> However, it is not AI that is ultimately deified and worshipped, but humanity itself---which, in this way, becomes enslaved to its own work. Doesn't that describe all religion? I mean, you're telling me that the infinite creator of the universe cares about the prayers, the suffering, the aspirations, and the sexual habits of a bunch of finite beings? The hubris! It seems obvious to me that the gods of all religions…

> It seems obvious to me that the gods of all religions are designed by human minds to be receptive to human interests, otherwise nobody would bother worshipping them

Nah that's just what atheists convince themselves. There's nothing obviously nor truthful about this conclusion or the line of reasoning behind it.

All arguments for and against the existence of God are inherently unfalsifiable, but that doesn't mean atheism is inherently more logical than theism.

In fact, from my point of view, the existence of God is way more logically sound than the alternative, and atheists are the ones following delusions and worshipping their own egos

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by carlosjobim »

esafak wrote: post #147
carlosjobim wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Artificial intelligence has no degree of sanctity at all, because it is dead matter. You have already been confused.

It might have rights despite not being sacred. Since nobody believes robots have an afterlife, I don't see why sanctity would matter, as long as their rights, whatever they be, are respected.

Dead matter does not have rights and can never have any rights.

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by devcpp »

b3lvedere wrote: post #6

" However, while AI holds many possibilities for promoting the good, it can also hinder or even counter human development and the common good. Pope Francis has noted that “evidence to date suggests that digital technologies have increased inequality in our world. Not just differences in material wealth, which are also significant, but also differences in access to political and social influence.”[103] In this sense,…

This implies that inequality is bad. I would rather argue that poverty is bad, and it is at an all-time low [1], consistently raising the HDI everywhere technology is introduced. Inequality in itself is only bad with regards to jealousy, which should be addressed through economics education.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_poverty

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by mattgreenrocks »

decatur wrote: post #102

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Gaslighting an AI is sometimes the best way to get at the truth, it seems.

It's funny, I try not to do it often. There's some sort of unconscious respect here even though I'm clearly aware that I'm typing to Claude. (In writing that last sentence, I originally ended with "talking with Claude!")

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