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Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by dagelf »

svieira wrote: post #96
progbits wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> search of meaning or fulfillment---longings that can only be truly satisfied in communion with God This always annoyed me about religion. Such a lazy cop out no answer to such important question.

How is it a cop-out to say "the whole of human meaning and fulfillment is found in perceiving face-to-face the source and end of human meaning and fulfillment"? Are you complaining that the answer is too easy, too hard, or without further direction? (As I see it, "Come, follow me" is full of direction and while it's definitely not easy, neither is it impossible.)

The cop out is perhaps the flawed conception that keeps one from looking: that archetypal plank.

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by rashidae »

philipov wrote: post #109
achierius wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pope Francis talks exactly about this in the letter: > 38. ... The Church is particularly opposed to those applications that threaten the sanctity of life or the dignity of the human person.[78] Like any human endeavor, technological development must be directed to serve the human person and contribute to the pursuit of “greater justice, more extensive fraternity, and a more humane order of social relations,” which a…

The existential risk that AI poses is first and foremost the threat that it be centralized and controlled by a closed company like OpenAI, or a small oligopoly of such companies.

I don’t think centralization is the real threat. As James Currier [1] pointed out, AI will be commoditized through open-source and model convergence, making oligopoly control unlikely.

The real challenge is standardizing safety across open models and countering malignant AI use, especially amid demographic challenges like declining fertility.

[1] https://x.com/jamescurrier/status/1884057861514485803?s=46&t...

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by XCSme »

simonw wrote: post #19

I enjoyed this bit - great use of the word "idolatry": ---- 104. Technology offers remarkable tools to oversee and develop the world's resources. However, in some cases, humanity is increasingly ceding control of these resources to machines. Within some circles of scientists and futurists, there is optimism about the potential of artificial general intelligence (AGI), a hypothetical form of AI that would match or sur…

I agree with most of it, but saying that holism doesn't exist is weird.

Also, humans have definitely created things that are better, at least in some aspects, than humans.

Cars are faster than humans.

Even AI-specific, AI chess engines are a lot stronger than any human alive, even then all humans combined.

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by HPsquared »

"The human organism always worships. First it was the gods, then it was fame (the observation and judgment of others), next it will be the self-aware systems you have built to realize truly omnipresent observation and judgment."

-conversation with Morpheus, Deus Ex (2000)

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by cynicalpeace »

chrsw wrote: post #98

Does this mean that in the eyes of this Pope or this church, natural born biological humans will always be closer to God or have a higher degree of sanctity than artificial intelligence, any form of technological machine, and presumably artificial "life"?

Of course, humans were created in the image of God, according to Christianity.

Secular society is overwhelmingly confused on how it will treat robots.

Christianity has none of that confusion.

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by widowlark »

chrsw wrote: post #98

Does this mean that in the eyes of this Pope or this church, natural born biological humans will always be closer to God or have a higher degree of sanctity than artificial intelligence, any form of technological machine, and presumably artificial "life"?

Yes.

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by mistrial9 »

XCSme wrote: post #136
simonw wrote: post #19

I enjoyed this bit - great use of the word "idolatry": ---- 104. Technology offers remarkable tools to oversee and develop the world's resources. However, in some cases, humanity is increasingly ceding control of these resources to machines. Within some circles of scientists and futurists, there is optimism about the potential of artificial general intelligence (AGI), a hypothetical form of AI that would match or sur…

I agree with most of it, but saying that holism doesn't exist is weird. Also, humans have definitely created things that are better, at least in some aspects, than humans. Cars are faster than humans. Even AI-specific, AI chess engines are a lot stronger than any human alive, even then all humans combined.

"cars are better than people because they are faster" ? at what cost? with what side-effects? what is missing?
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