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Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by whoevercares »

echelon wrote: post #7

China is taking every venture-funded AI startup and shitting on them. Almost all of them. Tencent's Hunyuan 3D - Tripo, etc. Tencent's Hunyuan Video - Sora, Runway, Pika, etc. ByteDance's Trae - Cursor, etc. DeepSeek R1 - GPT, etc. Unitree - Figure, Tesla, Boston Dynamics, etc. And a ton of this stuff is completely open source. All of the Tencent stuff is. This destroys the moat of so many companies that have spent h…

Computer vision and deep learning conferences have been overwhelmed with Chinese authors since many years ago. No surprises. However the quality of the work skyrocketed recently

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Post by dr_kiszonka »

echelon wrote: post #7

China is taking every venture-funded AI startup and shitting on them. Almost all of them. Tencent's Hunyuan 3D - Tripo, etc. Tencent's Hunyuan Video - Sora, Runway, Pika, etc. ByteDance's Trae - Cursor, etc. DeepSeek R1 - GPT, etc. Unitree - Figure, Tesla, Boston Dynamics, etc. And a ton of this stuff is completely open source. All of the Tencent stuff is. This destroys the moat of so many companies that have spent h…

If these AI efforts are funded by the Chinese government, it makes perfect sense as a strategy. The more successful they are, the more risky it becomes to invest in US AI companies, leading to fewer investments (and less know-how in the long term), and China getting even more ahead.

(I am not in AI, so please correct me if this is inaccurate.)

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by gt0 »

raincole wrote: post #89
toprerules wrote: post #26

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, because every time I try to use AI for any of my projects - including the "better" Anthropic and OpenAI models, I get terribly written, buggy code that has nothing to do with the domain or question. Unless I'm feeding it actual softball, single function questions it adds almost no value to my dev cycle. Mind you, all of this terrible code also costs a ton in tokens. It's sad becaus…

> but I feel like we aren't allowed to be honest anymore that LLMs aren't going to replace programmers or moderate our expectations. But literally every single programmer I know has this opinion.

Agree, who is not allowing us to be honest? I have found programmers are freely talking about the limitations of AI.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by scottyeager »

tnt128 wrote: post #49
impulser_ wrote: post #40

Bro the West is getting cooked by China right now. We might be fucked. Everything that has been coming out of China is better than anything our mega trillion dollar corporation are producing and they are doing with with sanctions on the best GPUs. I don't work in big tech, why are they so bad with sigifically more money and more advanced technology? Google had a decade and a half head start and they can't even produc…

Haven’t tried Trae. Is it objectively better than cursor? I felt this statement might be premature. US is still leading in software and AI space.

DeepSeek is absolutely the leader in terms of cost value for high performance AI models.

US firms might have the lead in terms of absolute best performance, true. But their prices are 10-20x more for a product that is marginally better at most. When it comes to coding DeepSeek V3 is very close to Claude 3.5 Sonnet and exceeds GPT-4o.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by verdverm »

impulser_ wrote: post #90
verdverm wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Jetbrains have a language agnostic IDE? Their page makes it look like you need to pick one specific to a language, but I have repos with multiple languages Like why does this page even exist? https://www.jetbrains.com/ides/#choose-your-ide

It's Fleet. https://www.jetbrains.com/fleet/

much appreciated

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Post by sergiotapia »

toprerules wrote: post #26

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, because every time I try to use AI for any of my projects - including the "better" Anthropic and OpenAI models, I get terribly written, buggy code that has nothing to do with the domain or question. Unless I'm feeding it actual softball, single function questions it adds almost no value to my dev cycle. Mind you, all of this terrible code also costs a ton in tokens. It's sad becaus…

just like googling was a skill back in the day, coding with AI is a skill. you should figure out how to see someone use it properly to learn.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by ijidak »

toprerules wrote: post #26

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, because every time I try to use AI for any of my projects - including the "better" Anthropic and OpenAI models, I get terribly written, buggy code that has nothing to do with the domain or question. Unless I'm feeding it actual softball, single function questions it adds almost no value to my dev cycle. Mind you, all of this terrible code also costs a ton in tokens. It's sad becaus…

> I feel like we aren't allowed to be honest anymore that LLMs aren't going to replace programmers or moderate our expectations.

I haven't heard anyone in tech say programmers will be replaced by this tech.

I have heard persons outside of tech say it, but I think they lack sufficient context.

I mean, if we get AGI, yes, we might be fully out of a job. But, so far I think many programmers agree this seems to be a ways off.

But, I think you underestimate how many programmers used to copy paste code from StackOverflow and articles, etc.

We even had/have a phrase for that: "copy pasta".

Those programmers are getting more applicable templated code than they used to get via copy paste.

When I'm coding in my preferred languages, I am faster without AI.

But, when I'm writing yaml or something else for an unfamiliar tool or platform, I do get a productivity boost, even if I have to debug the code / configuration.

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Post by [deleted] »

scottyeager wrote: post #94
tnt128 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haven’t tried Trae. Is it objectively better than cursor? I felt this statement might be premature. US is still leading in software and AI space.

DeepSeek is absolutely the leader in terms of cost value for high performance AI models. US firms might have the lead in terms of absolute best performance, true. But their prices are 10-20x more for a product that is marginally better at most. When it comes to coding DeepSeek V3 is very close to Claude 3.5 Sonnet and exceeds GPT-4o.

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Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by thesz »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #76
toprerules wrote: post #26

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, because every time I try to use AI for any of my projects - including the "better" Anthropic and OpenAI models, I get terribly written, buggy code that has nothing to do with the domain or question. Unless I'm feeding it actual softball, single function questions it adds almost no value to my dev cycle. Mind you, all of this terrible code also costs a ton in tokens. It's sad becaus…

Can you provide a specific example of where an LLM failed? If you show us your prompt, your "want/need", and the result, we can better judge your situation. My guess: Your domain is weird/rare, so LLMs are terrible because their training data is very limited.

  > Your domain is weird/rare, so LLMs are terrible because their training data is very limited.
And this is how knowledge collapse [1] shows its' head.

[1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.03502

I am not a big fan of LLMs so I try them once in a while, asking to "implement blocked clause decomposition in Haskell." They can recite a paper (and several other papers, with references) almost verbatim, but they do not posess enough comprehension of what is going on in these papers. As time passes by, with each new LLM, the level of comprehension drops. Last time LLM tried to persuade me to write code instead of providing me with code.

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