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Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by lsllc »

echelon wrote: post #7

China is taking every venture-funded AI startup and shitting on them. Almost all of them. Tencent's Hunyuan 3D - Tripo, etc. Tencent's Hunyuan Video - Sora, Runway, Pika, etc. ByteDance's Trae - Cursor, etc. DeepSeek R1 - GPT, etc. Unitree - Figure, Tesla, Boston Dynamics, etc. And a ton of this stuff is completely open source. All of the Tencent stuff is. This destroys the moat of so many companies that have spent h…

Interesting theory -- maybe trying to diluting/confusing the technology market with alternatives that phone home [to the LLM] with your content.

I just had to talk someone I know out of using RedNote as the TikTok shutdown loomed last week -- they had ZERO IDEA about its provenance. Unless you're paying attention, it's actually not clear what's what.

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Post by markus_zhang »

swozey wrote: post #20

I can't imagine getting an engineering job at an engineering company and asking them if I'd be allowed to create an opensource IDE that would never be a sold product. I can barely even get allowed time to write SRE tooling to improve our own engineers lives. Some C-levels newphew into computers and need a school project or something?

Bytedance created all internal tools by themselves. Personally I'd definitely love to join such a company if I'm in that tooling team. Whether they are being used by outsiders is irrelevant because I already bagged the skills.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by DoctorOW »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #16
echelon wrote: post #7

China is taking every venture-funded AI startup and shitting on them. Almost all of them. Tencent's Hunyuan 3D - Tripo, etc. Tencent's Hunyuan Video - Sora, Runway, Pika, etc. ByteDance's Trae - Cursor, etc. DeepSeek R1 - GPT, etc. Unitree - Figure, Tesla, Boston Dynamics, etc. And a ton of this stuff is completely open source. All of the Tencent stuff is. This destroys the moat of so many companies that have spent h…

Maybe they think it's in their national interest that a generation of Americans stops practicing their reading skills because of the tl;dr machine and stops building job skills that aren't reliant on the job-doing machine.

I'm okay with the software being made open to the public. I think ultimately it's good for society as a whole. The US is welcome to do the same (I.E. actually opening OpenAI) but I don't think the drawbacks of AI are mitigated by making it more profitable to the American establishment.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by swozey »

markus_zhang wrote: post #22
swozey wrote: post #20

I can't imagine getting an engineering job at an engineering company and asking them if I'd be allowed to create an opensource IDE that would never be a sold product. I can barely even get allowed time to write SRE tooling to improve our own engineers lives. Some C-levels newphew into computers and need a school project or something?

Bytedance created all internal tools by themselves. Personally I'd definitely love to join such a company if I'm in that tooling team. Whether they are being used by outsiders is irrelevant because I already bagged the skills.

Eh, I make tooling for a living. It sucks to have nobody using your tools even if they were fun to make. You spend months/years putting something out there that you think will really benefit a company/team/foss and it goes nowhere. It's like painting a painting you love and it getting thrown in an attic.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by toprerules »

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, because every time I try to use AI for any of my projects - including the "better" Anthropic and OpenAI models, I get terribly written, buggy code that has nothing to do with the domain or question. Unless I'm feeding it actual softball, single function questions it adds almost no value to my dev cycle. Mind you, all of this terrible code also costs a ton in tokens.

It's sad because I have seen some truly remarkable progress in LLMs, but I feel like we aren't allowed to be honest anymore that LLMs aren't going to replace programmers or moderate our expectations.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by antoniuschan99 »

DoctorOW wrote: post #11

I feel like this would've been better as a VSCode extension. Copilot, Q, Gemini, all were able to take this approach. Also, VSCode isn't considered a full IDE and adding some AI features isn't enough to change that. It seems like they forked VS Code just for the ability to say they "created an IDE" in the same way other projects fork Chromium to "build a browser".

Bytedance is signalling it wants to compete against vscode for ide marketshare.

Wondering if it is a fork of vscode though because right now it will be competing against cursor.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by softirq »

Side note, but I hate that we're moving to a world where coding costs a subscription. I fell in love with coding because I could take my dad's old Thinkpad, install Linux for free - fire up Emacs and start hacking without an internet connection.

We're truly building walls everywhere.

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