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I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Re: I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Post by markjgx »

alin23 wrote: post #259

I've been on Firefox Dev Edition for Mac for the last 4 years I think, and I can't remember more than 1 or 2 websites that didn't work correctly on it. It's been flawless, more battery and memory efficient than Chrome, less finicky and problematic than Safari, and with all the extensions that I need. I seriously don't see any disadvantage in picking Firefox over Chrome. I still have Chrome around if any website requi…

> It's been flawless, more battery and memory efficient than Chrome

Is that actually true?

Re: I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Post by alin23 »

markjgx wrote: post #501
alin23 wrote: post #259

I've been on Firefox Dev Edition for Mac for the last 4 years I think, and I can't remember more than 1 or 2 websites that didn't work correctly on it. It's been flawless, more battery and memory efficient than Chrome, less finicky and problematic than Safari, and with all the extensions that I need. I seriously don't see any disadvantage in picking Firefox over Chrome. I still have Chrome around if any website requi…

> It's been flawless, more battery and memory efficient than Chrome Is that actually true?

It was true for me, specifically for my workflow, the websites I use and how I leave some specific tabs in the background.

I’ve used Chrome for many years before Firefox and it was always prioritizing JS responsiveness even when the app was in the background and not needed, so it consumed CPU cycles and battery power needlessly. I see now that Chrome enables a Low Power mode by default on battery and it’s unusable as scrolling gets janky. I don’t know if the overall experience has gotten better in the last year on Chrome.

Not sure what’s different about memory though, but Chrome always appeared like a memory hog when I tested both browser side by side on the same set of websites and same few extensions. Could be that it just caches more and that’s benefitting responsiveness

Re: I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Post by taylodl »

asadotzler wrote: post #480
taylodl wrote: post #340

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> it’s almost like punishing users for making the choice to browse the web without ads AKA depriving content creators of their revenue. If you're saying their content isn't good enough to pay for directly, and isn't good enough to endure ads in order to engage, then why are you trying to consume it? Look elsewhere. > or without the surveillance mechanisms that come with them I agree with this depending on what you me…

Then put it behind a goddamned login. If you don't, it's mine to consume and filter how I want.

Then you should be locked up behind bars. You're a thief, pure and simple.

Re: I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Post by arnaudsm »

Capricorn2481 wrote: post #449
arnaudsm wrote: post #119

Firefox is guilty of every single thing Chrome is accused of. * It includes advertisements in the New Tab page without user consent https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/sponsor-privacy * It shared browsing history without user consent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliqz#Integration_with_Firefox * It enabled a new tracking protocol for advertisers without user consent https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2024/08/22/ppa-…

> Firefox is guilty of every single thing Chrome is accused of If you misrepresent what Chrome is "accused" of, sure. I have 0 attachment to Firefox as a permanent solution, but it's WAY better than Chrome on every issue, and the only thing Servo has over Firefox is it hasn't existed in a usable form long enough to push the same kind of updates. If you disabled updating in Firefox today, you would have a more complet…

Librewolf is not barely tweaking Firefox, it's disabling all the ads and tracking, exactly like Chromium does.

Also uBlock Lite was not "remedied quickly", it took Mozilla a month to react, only after media pressure, gorhill describing their interactions as "hostile and absurd". He refused to reupload the extension to the store, where it is still missing to this day.

The last thing that separates Firefox from Chrome is uBlock Origin, which is a very thin line. Apart from that, the entire product and political strategy is the same than Google's. We need an alternative before it's too late.

Re: I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Post by StuffMaster »

pxoe wrote: post #229
Vinnl wrote: post #73

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And for those who do actually feel they want to separate their extensions and passwords and such as well, there's a Profiles revamp coming up that's looking really good in Nightly: https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/here-s-what-we-re... But yes, people should learn about Multi-Account Containers if they haven't, yet. It's a killer feature that no other browser has. This is the extension to enable the UI for i…

Finally, it only took them 10 years to get around to updating that decades old UI. Wonder which other decade old UI parts are they gonna tackle next? ooh, will they finally do something about Library and the whole bookmarks/history menu/sidebar/window mess? It's a little insane how so much time has passed and so many versions were released, and some interface stuff still remains unpolished and disparate. Firefox simp…

Oh god please no. Chrome's history/bookmarks UI is awful.

Re: I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Post by jshen »

asadotzler wrote: post #477
jshen wrote: post #472

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I think that's a different issue. I can serve content behind a paywall, that doesn't make you entitled to it.

The OP explicitly called out logins. Are you being intentionally misleading or just dense or what?

The issue is about preventing users from watching if they block ads. Talking about logins is being intentionally misleading.

Re: I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Post by beej71 »

jshen wrote: post #472
beej71 wrote: post #461

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As far as I can tell, this case went nowhere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Department_of_Element... I'm curious if you know of any court cases that back up your position. I've connected to a lot of servers today and downloaded all the information they sent me.

I think that's a different issue. I can serve content behind a paywall, that doesn't make you entitled to it.

What if you serve it to me from behind the paywall without me paying?

My client: "Hey, I didn't pay, but can I have that data?"

Your server: "Sure! Here it is!"

Re: I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Post by bkardell »

CuriousCosmic wrote: post #329
pkasting wrote: post #318

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Igalia is a valued Chromium contributor, but your notion that they do a near-majority of the dev work is off by an order of magnitude.

Ah yep. I'm mistaken there. I had read somewhere at one point that they were the second largest contributor to Chromium and made assumptions I shouldn't have. My apologies.

Last autumn we finally fell to third behind Microsoft, in fairness.. But we're also the second biggest contributors to WebKit (really significant there) and Gecko too, as well as the #1 contributors to Servo, and more - if you're interested: https://bkardell.com/blog/2024-Midseason.html

Re: I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Post by dismalaf »

asadotzler wrote: post #479
carlosjobim wrote: post #296

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A restaurant is also a public space. But you can't eat for free or behave as you wish there.

If the restaurant puts food on the public sidewalk I'm free to pick it up. The internet is not inside of someone's business, they are inside of it. It is a public space and if they publish without a paywall, I'm free to consume that how ever I like. Your analogy is ridiculous and makes you come across as a simp for Big Advertising.

> If the restaurant puts food on the public sidewalk I'm free to pick it up.

If someone leaves their purse on the sidewalk and you just take it, you're committing a crime. Consuming a restaurant's food without paying for it is also a crime. It being on the sidewalk doesn't make it not their property (or the property of whoever paid for it).

> The internet is not inside of someone's business, they are inside of it. It is a public space and if they publish without a paywall, I'm free to consume that how ever I like.

There's already many court precedents that no, you can't consume it "however" you like. For example, all copyright laws apply.

Ad blockers are a grey area in that yes, they're not disallowed, but that also means that companies are allowed to mess with you more or less however they want (YouTube for example throttles browsers with active ad blockers).

Re: I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Post by lousken »

grounder wrote: post #431
lousken wrote: post #388

vertical tabs + fully working adblock + containers, that's all i need in 2025

Are vertical tabs now in the main release of Firefox? I've been on Nightly for the vertical tabs and I love it. Fully agree - container tabs are awesome too.

I didn't see any announcements and I don't see it in the settings so I don't think so. With that said, I have customized version of tree style tabs, so I am not sure how would these visual customizations transfer.
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