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I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Re: I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Post by EdwardKrayer »

asdfasdf1 wrote: post #76
ustad wrote: post #23

Currently the main attack facing Firefox is coming from advertising companies such as YouTube. It’s crazy to think that some software engineers might actually intentionally degrade user experience on non-Google browsers or for people using adblockers. The mentality here is pretty disturbing: it’s almost like punishing users for making the choice to browse the web without ads, or without the surveillance mechanisms th…

about youtube being totally unusable on firefox: is it just youtube/google being evil as is customary or also firefox having loads of memory leaks, as its usual too? (plenty of mem leak bugs with video/audio reported over the years, many very recent and still open)

Firefox+uBO on Fedora/W11 here, with Firefox being my primary browser for close to 8 years. I only run in to an issues maybe once a year, where I have to pop open Edge/Chrome for some random edge cases to work. I've used Firefox on dodgy, overly burdened and hacked together systems with no issues that were memorable.

The only problem I really remember is at one point Firefox having issues under linux when NVIDIA was swapping their main driver over to the "open-sourced" version, there was some performance issues with decoding, not unusable - but it was resolved within a week.

But, this is just my experience.

Re: I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Post by jshen »

beej71 wrote: post #461
jshen wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If your internet server serves content, I'm entitled to connect to it. Nope

As far as I can tell, this case went nowhere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Department_of_Element... I'm curious if you know of any court cases that back up your position. I've connected to a lot of servers today and downloaded all the information they sent me.

I think that's a different issue. I can serve content behind a paywall, that doesn't make you entitled to it.

Re: I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Post by ebjcoat »

ustad wrote: post #23

Currently the main attack facing Firefox is coming from advertising companies such as YouTube. It’s crazy to think that some software engineers might actually intentionally degrade user experience on non-Google browsers or for people using adblockers. The mentality here is pretty disturbing: it’s almost like punishing users for making the choice to browse the web without ads, or without the surveillance mechanisms th…

What irks me even a bit more is that user experience is degraded even for logged in premium users. They just really don't want us using other browsers.

FF has been my dailer driver for a long time. But google blocking ublock origin was a deal breaker. I now only use chrome when a site is otherwise unusable.

Re: I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Post by inferiorhuman »

Timshel wrote: post #141
ustad wrote: post #23

Currently the main attack facing Firefox is coming from advertising companies such as YouTube. It’s crazy to think that some software engineers might actually intentionally degrade user experience on non-Google browsers or for people using adblockers. The mentality here is pretty disturbing: it’s almost like punishing users for making the choice to browse the web without ads, or without the surveillance mechanisms th…

> Currently the main attack facing Firefox is coming from advertising companies such as YouTube. While I agree; between an up-to-date uBlock Origin and https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/chrome-mask YT is quite usable. Long term I'm more worried by Mozilla leadership than Google shenanigans.

  YT is quite usable
Ehh. Youtube has been problematic for 3 or 4 Firefox versions now. If you leave a video open long enough memory usage skyrockets and the page becomes unresponsive.

Supposedly it's just been fixed?

https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1i182q7/firefox_13...

Re: I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Post by ethbr1 »

segasaturn wrote: post #424
ethbr1 wrote: post #308

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I'd strongly disagree. Apple designs their own processors (now), specs/sources their components (e.g. screens), and then does all the integration engineering. That's the bulk of device work. Which isn't to say that semi manufacturing isn't hard, but is to say there's a lot of effort between a chip and a device.

Sure, that design work and firmware development is probably a miniscule part of their business in comparison to the scale of their App Store and other service revenues though. And Apple does no manufacturing at all, the screens come from Samsung and the phones are assembled by Foxconn.

TSMC builds the chips, according to Apple's designs. Foxconn assembles the phones, according to Apple's designs.

I don't think you realize how much work goes into building and cerifying a working, mass market device.

Re: I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Post by brokenmachine »

deedub wrote: post #402
elephanlemon wrote: post #83

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I ended up switching back from Firefox to Chrome after a few weeks because I found that if I had more than about 6 YouTube tabs opened, the YouTube interface would become very laggy. I blamed it on Firefox at the time but maybe it was something intentional by Google.

Maybe more related to youtube than I thought, but I have trouble closing tabs and firefox with 15 or 20 tabs would eat all my CPU. Pages loaded much slower and the experience across the board was often pretty poor. I had to go back to Chrome and I don't miss FF at all. I tried.

That is not my experience. I use FF exclusively, I can't remember the last time I used Chrome.

I have over 1200 tabs open at the moment, including at least 100 youtube tabs, and mine runs fine even with a bunch of other stuff running.

I do find that if I go over 150 windows open then things start to become problematic, but I think that's because my GPU is only 8Gb.

CPU is usually at about 10% on an i7-12900k.

Re: I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Post by asadotzler »

jshen wrote: post #472
beej71 wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I can tell, this case went nowhere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Department_of_Element... I'm curious if you know of any court cases that back up your position. I've connected to a lot of servers today and downloaded all the information they sent me.

I think that's a different issue. I can serve content behind a paywall, that doesn't make you entitled to it.

The OP explicitly called out logins. Are you being intentionally misleading or just dense or what?

Re: I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Post by asadotzler »

cornstalks wrote: post #319
ustad wrote: post #23

Currently the main attack facing Firefox is coming from advertising companies such as YouTube. It’s crazy to think that some software engineers might actually intentionally degrade user experience on non-Google browsers or for people using adblockers. The mentality here is pretty disturbing: it’s almost like punishing users for making the choice to browse the web without ads, or without the surveillance mechanisms th…

> It’s crazy to think that some software engineers might actually intentionally degrade user experience on non-Google browsers Is this actually a thing? As far as I'm aware all degradations in non-Chromium browsers have been unintentional bugs, either caused by a YouTube bug or a non-YouTube bug (i.e. in the browser or an extension) (note I'm specifically not commenting on the last portion of your comment regarding "…

I unintentionally burned down a dozen houses because I was too incompetent to properly test the propane systems I was hooking up to houses, but only the ones built by competing contractors that didn't quite fit my way of doing things. How can you call that anything but unintentional and how can you possibly hold me accountable?

Re: I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Post by asadotzler »

carlosjobim wrote: post #296
basilgohar wrote: post #179

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I understand this perspective, but I disagree with it. If someone wants to use a public space (i.e., the Internet), then they have accept that technological solutions to annoyances are also part of that. Block it with a subscription if you don't accept this reality. But getting the benefits of a free, global audience doesn't entitle the artist to any means of revenue they choose, including what annoys and harms peopl…

A restaurant is also a public space. But you can't eat for free or behave as you wish there.

If the restaurant puts food on the public sidewalk I'm free to pick it up. The internet is not inside of someone's business, they are inside of it. It is a public space and if they publish without a paywall, I'm free to consume that how ever I like. Your analogy is ridiculous and makes you come across as a simp for Big Advertising.

Re: I Switched to Firefox and Never Looked Back

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Post by asadotzler »

taylodl wrote: post #340
ustad wrote: post #23

Currently the main attack facing Firefox is coming from advertising companies such as YouTube. It’s crazy to think that some software engineers might actually intentionally degrade user experience on non-Google browsers or for people using adblockers. The mentality here is pretty disturbing: it’s almost like punishing users for making the choice to browse the web without ads, or without the surveillance mechanisms th…

> it’s almost like punishing users for making the choice to browse the web without ads AKA depriving content creators of their revenue. If you're saying their content isn't good enough to pay for directly, and isn't good enough to endure ads in order to engage, then why are you trying to consume it? Look elsewhere. > or without the surveillance mechanisms that come with them I agree with this depending on what you me…

Then put it behind a goddamned login. If you don't, it's mine to consume and filter how I want.
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