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Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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Re: Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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Post by mmooss »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #60
octopusRex wrote: post #8

The US chooses not to end homelessness. We have the highest GDP in the world. We could end it if we wanted to. I was in Japan recently. A choice was made there as well.

How could the United States end homelessness? It is a mix of federal government, state governments, and local/county/municipal governments. The level of government best suited to do the actual work is hamstrung... if any one city fixes homelessness (somehow), more homeless will show up. If they do that again for the new arrivals, more homeless show up. The first to solve it is punished with tens of thousands of newly…

> The first to solve it is punished with tens of thousands of newly arriving homeless

I've seen nothing to support this claim. It does fit the right-wing disinformation pattern of demonizing people, encouraging division and hate between people, undermine social programs, and making baseless claims to put others in the defensive position of having to disprove them.

Can you support that claim?

Here's some evidence to the contrary, from another comment: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30739834/

Re: Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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Post by nineplay »

cousin_it wrote: post #106

I think governments should offer free housing to everyone who asks, in their city of choice. "But why should taxpayers pay for that? It's expensive!" Yes, it would be very expensive. But you know what's even more expensive? The sum of everybody's lowered wages, bad bosses, fear for the future, fear of having kids and so on, due to the threat of homelessness. Yes, building housing is expensive, but the removal of fear…

I'd like to live in Honolulu.

Re: Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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Post by mmooss »

ipaddr wrote: post #151
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> US could end homelessness but would need to stop immigration and change the constitution which could force people in shelter Immigrants are a tiny fraction of the homeless [1]. And we’ve tried criminalising homelessness; incarceration is forced shelter and incredibly expensive. [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30739834/

In Canada the majority of shelter beds go to refugee claimants. I believe it is highly like many illegals in the US are homeless and make up the majority of homeless people. They are not part of the numbers you provided.

> In Canada the majority of shelter beds go to refugee claimants.

Is there data someplace that shows it?

> I believe it is highly like

I believe that angry gods cause rain. What does it matter?

Re: Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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Post by nineplay »

dyauspitr wrote: post #70
nostromo wrote: post #63

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It's funny how every westerner visits Japan and comes home thinking we can "solve crime" or "solve homelessness" or "have clean subway stations." Japan's culture is why those things are the way they are. It's not due to funding. It's because people raise their children differently than we do in the west. The family's obligations are also greater. And, yes, there are homeless people in Japan. But they typically are in…

It’s definitely cultural. I’ve been to every major city in the US and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a homeless Indian. Some groups have broken familial cultures that does not churn out good citizens. Did the US in the past play a major role in breaking down those groups and surrounding them with abject poverty that makes it hard to escape from? Absolutely.

Have you ever seen a homeless Indian in India? I would assume not, since evidently Indians have intact familial cultures that churn out good citizens.

Re: Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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Post by throw_pm23 »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #154
throw_pm23 wrote: post #139

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The "surplus houses" are not just in Detroit but also around Central Park, NY, where people buy them as investment.

so what is the operational theory then?

one can describe the situation and its causes without prescribing solutions

Re: Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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Post by mmooss »

ipaddr wrote: post #29
barbazoo wrote: post #26

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> it's easier to have a high-trust society if you eschew immigration. citation needed

You need a citation for you to understand people with similar customs/religious believes, similar dna have a higher trust society than a cities of unknown elements?

Yes!

Re: Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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Post by mmooss »

rs999gti wrote: post #6

In the article, I did not see anything about mental illness or addicts. How did FI solve for those people? Both groups have people who want to be homeless, so they can be left alone.

> I did not see anything about mental illness or addicts

Maybe it's not actually a problem. Maybe it's another way to promote fear, hate, division, and cynicism about social spending.

Re: Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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Post by MichaelZuo »

cousin_it wrote: post #124
skirge wrote: post #122

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Why not? Am I worse than others?

Yes, or just unlucky. The goal of my proposal is not to create equality, but to establish a minimum below which people cannot fall.

Who gets to determine the minimum threshold? And how will they enforce it?

Re: Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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Post by nostromo »

wesselbindt wrote: post #108
nostromo wrote: post #63

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It's funny how every westerner visits Japan and comes home thinking we can "solve crime" or "solve homelessness" or "have clean subway stations." Japan's culture is why those things are the way they are. It's not due to funding. It's because people raise their children differently than we do in the west. The family's obligations are also greater. And, yes, there are homeless people in Japan. But they typically are in…

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The US does spend tens of billions fighting homelessness though. The US is very generous in this regard.

The problem is it’s not solvable by building homes. It’s about addiction and mental illness. And because of the US constitution, it’s very difficult to help Americans that do not want to be helped.

Re: Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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Post by enaaem »

rossdavidh wrote: post #66

"Building flats is key: otherwise, especially if housing supply is particularly rigid, the funding of rentals can risk driving up rents (OECD, 2021a), thus reducing the “bang for the buck” of public spending." So, yes, if you want low homelessness, you build a lot of housing and make sure that rents are low. This is true, and a good strategy.

People hate om commie blocks but it was an excellent solution to mass produce affordable housing in war torn Europe. The free market is full of cheap mass produced stuff. Why can't housing be mass produced? Why are there not more economic options? It's almost always restrictive regulations that stops these solutions from happening.
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