Hmm, could be a good time to set up as a contractor serving Salesforce
Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
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Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's not forget pre-2020 when the company released "Salesforce Blockchain", "NFT Cloud" and "Salesforce Web3 Platform". This is how they operate. Just one marketing hype moment after another. The actual product doesn't really matter (and in a lot of cases doesn't even launch). They just need to keep making pretty slide decks filled with meaningless buzzwords so their customers get distracted from the fact that they…
Don’t forget IOT Cloud back when IOT was a thing. I think I was one of the first 10 people holding that certification. I really liked the architecture but the product sort of went nowhere. After learning about data cloud I feel like a lot of that architecture (iirc it was called Thunder) wound up in data cloud.
I think silicon labs uses salesforce for their iot cloud. The iot cloud - globally - is gigantic, and a requirement for any embedded iot device with a radio.
Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really don't care generally if a business feels the need to hype things like this - but these kinds of announcements have downstream effects on salaries and job availability far outside a company like this. Other management/C-suites are gonna hear "we replaced all our engineers with AI!" and similarly slow down hiring/etc. This is already being seen throughout the industry, I am aware, but such a visible player mak…
If a company exec is stupid enough to not hire when there has been no demonstrated replacement for the engineers, they are likely going to drive the company into the ground in short order. I don’t believe that companies would be stupid enough to kneecap their own growth because a SaaS company that has stopped innovating 5 years ago decided they are happy with their current headcount and used AI as an excuse.
Oh plenty of company are stupid enough, good thing that they eventually disintegrate.
Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
#214Current SFDC software engineer - this is just cover for a widespread engineering hiring freeze since the layoffs in January 2023. There's a ton of pressure to control costs after the near shareholder revolt that caused the layoffs. The public nature of the announcement is certainly marketing for our AI offerings as well, but at this point I think most engineers are just worried there will be additional layoffs, in th…
I really don't care generally if a business feels the need to hype things like this - but these kinds of announcements have downstream effects on salaries and job availability far outside a company like this. Other management/C-suites are gonna hear "we replaced all our engineers with AI!" and similarly slow down hiring/etc. This is already being seen throughout the industry, I am aware, but such a visible player mak…
Good. This sector could use of a change of leadership. If it takes a few rough years and some failed businesses then so be it.
Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
#215Current SFDC software engineer - this is just cover for a widespread engineering hiring freeze since the layoffs in January 2023. There's a ton of pressure to control costs after the near shareholder revolt that caused the layoffs. The public nature of the announcement is certainly marketing for our AI offerings as well, but at this point I think most engineers are just worried there will be additional layoffs, in th…
Ah, the toxic env, I'm too familiar with it. Quarterly layoffs, perks gone, more RTO, but execs can still travel around lavishly.
FAANG used to over-employ not just due to ZIRP, but also in the fear that their engineers would build competing products.
These companies enjoy healthy margins. Unemployed engineers can duplicate the core functionality and offer it for less.
Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
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#217They'll probably just hire the same person anyways, just call them prompt engineer, not software engineer.
Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
#218They should hire English teachers to fix their grammar. “Will hire no more engineers.” Wtf
Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
#219Benioff is very far removed from what goes on day-to-day at Salesforce. He is the marketer in chief, nothing else. This interview itself is an ad for "Agentforce". They will keep hiring engineers as normal (heck there are 104 software engineering openings on their careers site as I write this). I also don't know how he is pulling the "AI is making our engineers 30% more effective" stat when last I checked software en…
Internally they are allowed. There are internal productivity tools (IDE Plugins, APIs, Frameworks, Chat) with homegrown models (in the press) and the ability to switch to other models. The various models are integrated throughout the engineering tools and Slack.
So, uh, do you think they've driven productivity up 30%? ;) ;) ;)
Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
Everywhere I've worked at that had some kind of Salesforce integration, that integration seemed almost incomprehensibly complex or a source of endless problems, and often both. But I've never been (nor wanted to be) very closely involved with any such integrations. Is Salesforce garbage? Is that just how CRM systems are? Is everybody just doing it wrong? What's the deal?
I've only been involved with such Salesforce integrations at one company, but based on that, I can give you my take. I'd be interested to hear others'. One, the salesforce data changes all occur through APIs (ok) which various enterprise integration tools (Informatica, Mulesoft, etc) support (ok), but those tools typically dont support easy options for retrying a change to a specific row that causes an error. If you…
The regular REST api has request scoped transactions. Only the bulk api has the issues you describe. The bulk api is kind of a special thing annyway and has its quirks. The regular REST api works more like what you’d expect.