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Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff

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Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff

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Post by yava2025 »

somanyphotons wrote: post #115
epolanski wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big orgs have plenty of people that need to justify their salaries, I mean it, I'm 100% convinced you could fire half the staff of a big organization, going heavy with the management roles and lighter on operational ones and the company would become more productive and efficient. And the higher the people in the pyramid are the better they are at selling their ideas in their neverending quest for recognition, fat bon…

Twitter as an example, showed us that the staff really do matter

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Post by lazystar »

jcytong wrote: post #161
mlinksva wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't sure whether "NFT Cloud" was real or parody so had to look it up. 2022 but it's in the official history https://www.salesforce.com/news/stories/the-history-of-sales... noted in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31666887

dang, I knew I shouldn't be drinking water while checking out the link. Almost caused water damage to my laptop

> Sustainable Blockchains > Choose from sustainable blockchains and estimate carbon usage prior to deployment

lol. lmao, even.

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

bb611 wrote: post #33

Current SFDC software engineer - this is just cover for a widespread engineering hiring freeze since the layoffs in January 2023. There's a ton of pressure to control costs after the near shareholder revolt that caused the layoffs. The public nature of the announcement is certainly marketing for our AI offerings as well, but at this point I think most engineers are just worried there will be additional layoffs, in th…

Thanks for sharing the inside info. Companies think they are being clever.

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Post by pyromaker »

didgeoridoo wrote: post #48

I was at Salesforce for 4 years, and during those years the company made a massive deal about: 2020: the first AI craze, introducing “Einstein” as their name for their analytics platform, and officially changing the corporate vision to being the “No. 1 AI CRM company”. 2021: Now it’s all about “Customer 360”, i.e. account-based marketing, i.e. what basically everyone else does without such a memeable name. You wouldn…

But this IS the strategy. One thing after another, giving perception that SF is "leading" the way and enterprise customers continue to listen to the SF sales reps who just need to tell the story, so on and on it goes. :)

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Post by kortilla »

JohnMakin wrote: post #147
bb611 wrote: post #33

Current SFDC software engineer - this is just cover for a widespread engineering hiring freeze since the layoffs in January 2023. There's a ton of pressure to control costs after the near shareholder revolt that caused the layoffs. The public nature of the announcement is certainly marketing for our AI offerings as well, but at this point I think most engineers are just worried there will be additional layoffs, in th…

I really don't care generally if a business feels the need to hype things like this - but these kinds of announcements have downstream effects on salaries and job availability far outside a company like this. Other management/C-suites are gonna hear "we replaced all our engineers with AI!" and similarly slow down hiring/etc. This is already being seen throughout the industry, I am aware, but such a visible player mak…

If a company exec is stupid enough to not hire when there has been no demonstrated replacement for the engineers, they are likely going to drive the company into the ground in short order.

I don’t believe that companies would be stupid enough to kneecap their own growth because a SaaS company that has stopped innovating 5 years ago decided they are happy with their current headcount and used AI as an excuse.

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Post by dartos »

ethbr1 wrote: post #88
risyachka wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like it. The only other explanation is they just stopped investing in other products and focused on Agents, thus no need for loads more of engineering. No way in the world they got 30% gains. 5 maybe realistically

Their ultimate agent product strategy feels like reducing cost of sales... by automating salespeople. I have doubts that will ever happen, but who knows? Sales folks are highly-compensated, so even making a few of them redundant (or making existing salespeople more efficient) would be a big win for companies (Salesforce's customers).

I think a lot of CEO were sales people.

Being in that field, they can see where LLMs would fail at it.

They can understand that you can’t just replace a sales team with LLMs.

They don’t have that for engineering…

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Post by maxfurman »

pxc wrote: post #78
DidYaWipe wrote: post #41

I tried to buy Pro Tools a few years ago. Avid was using a SalesForce system, which is such a monumental piece of trash that they couldn't complete the transaction. The attempt involved weeks of back-&-forth, mind-bogglingly incompetent and defective. They ended up giving me a temporary license because they thought I had a project to complete. SalesForce, SAP, and the other purveyors of steaming legacy enterprise exc…

Everywhere I've worked at that had some kind of Salesforce integration, that integration seemed almost incomprehensibly complex or a source of endless problems, and often both. But I've never been (nor wanted to be) very closely involved with any such integrations. Is Salesforce garbage? Is that just how CRM systems are? Is everybody just doing it wrong? What's the deal?

Salesforce has the ability for users to define their own bespoke data models. This modeling is nearly always done by sales people who may or may not be good at sales, but are almost never good at data modeling - not an insult, simply stating that data modeling isn't their job - and so the models are almost always a mess. The problems flow from there

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Post by strambino242 »

My inside sources at salesforce say that this is just cover for them replacing existing employees with H1Bs and PERMs from Asia. That's why there are still SWE jobs on the company site even though he says they aren't hiring

He's lying. They are hiring. They just refuse to hire you if you were born in America

The "AI" craze is cover. It doesn't do jack shit. He knows too

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