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Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff

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Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff

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Post by markus_zhang »

bb611 wrote: post #33

Current SFDC software engineer - this is just cover for a widespread engineering hiring freeze since the layoffs in January 2023. There's a ton of pressure to control costs after the near shareholder revolt that caused the layoffs. The public nature of the announcement is certainly marketing for our AI offerings as well, but at this point I think most engineers are just worried there will be additional layoffs, in th…

Ah, the toxic env, I'm too familiar with it. Quarterly layoffs, perks gone, more RTO, but execs can still travel around lavishly.

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Post by paxys »

spamizbad wrote: post #129
misiek08 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought Twitter fired 70% of manpower and still works?

It also lost 70% of its revenue.

And 80% of its value. Musk bought it at $44B. Fidelity recently used an internal valuation of $9.4B for their own shares in the company.

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Post by SequoiaHope »

JohnMakin wrote: post #147
bb611 wrote: post #33

Current SFDC software engineer - this is just cover for a widespread engineering hiring freeze since the layoffs in January 2023. There's a ton of pressure to control costs after the near shareholder revolt that caused the layoffs. The public nature of the announcement is certainly marketing for our AI offerings as well, but at this point I think most engineers are just worried there will be additional layoffs, in th…

I really don't care generally if a business feels the need to hype things like this - but these kinds of announcements have downstream effects on salaries and job availability far outside a company like this. Other management/C-suites are gonna hear "we replaced all our engineers with AI!" and similarly slow down hiring/etc. This is already being seen throughout the industry, I am aware, but such a visible player mak…

Well to the extent that this happens (I agree it probably has this effect) that would benefit them anyway and I suspect they know about it.

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Post by deckard1 »

spamizbad wrote: post #129
misiek08 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought Twitter fired 70% of manpower and still works?

It also lost 70% of its revenue.

The deal still has me scratching my head. They tossed out the brand name and logo. Elon already had the X name and domain. For much less than $44B I feel like you could clone Twitter and come up with a strategy to acquire users. Hell, for $1 billion you could probably pay a good number of influencers to move to your platform. $44 billion is an absolute fuckton of money to kill Twitter and move those people to your pet project.

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Post by gedy »

JohnMakin wrote: post #147
bb611 wrote: post #33

Current SFDC software engineer - this is just cover for a widespread engineering hiring freeze since the layoffs in January 2023. There's a ton of pressure to control costs after the near shareholder revolt that caused the layoffs. The public nature of the announcement is certainly marketing for our AI offerings as well, but at this point I think most engineers are just worried there will be additional layoffs, in th…

I really don't care generally if a business feels the need to hype things like this - but these kinds of announcements have downstream effects on salaries and job availability far outside a company like this. Other management/C-suites are gonna hear "we replaced all our engineers with AI!" and similarly slow down hiring/etc. This is already being seen throughout the industry, I am aware, but such a visible player mak…

Sure, but it's either true or it's not. If they fall for the hype, the company will pay the price for it eventually.

(And it's not true - if you could "replace engineers with AI" we engineers would have already done it and be relaxing while AI does our work)

Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff

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Post by bdangubic »

paxys wrote: post #152
spamizbad wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also lost 70% of its revenue.

And 80% of its value. Musk bought it at $44B. Fidelity recently used an internal valuation of $9.4B for their own shares in the company.

he bought presidency with it so it is not that bad of an investment. it is short-sighted to look at “twitter” value since he bought it, one should look his net worth since he bought it. even if closes it down tomorrow it will be money well spent

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Post by RGamma »

paxys wrote: post #152
spamizbad wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also lost 70% of its revenue.

And 80% of its value. Musk bought it at $44B. Fidelity recently used an internal valuation of $9.4B for their own shares in the company.

That's gotta be the most inefficient way to start a microblog at effectively elonmusk.com

Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff

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Post by Jcampuzano2 »

brandon272 wrote: post #63
mullingitover wrote: post #25

If I were on the Salesforce BoD I wouldn't be impressed. Let's see Benioff put his money where his mouth is, replace some C-suite seats with AI agents. Those are the really expensive salaries, and if AI is as smart as he claims it's downright reckless and negligent not to do this.

That is a point that seems to get lost in the hype (or fear) of AI replacing software engineers. If we take at face value that AI can “replace” a software engineer, it can most certainly replace most of the managers and executives above that role.

I'll do you better.

AI could largely already fill the role and fulfill all responsibilities at expected level of any C suite or management only position better right now than it could a software or operational position.

Their position is fundamentally easier to do for an AI compared to operational and labor roles. They are given data and output a decision or course of action. But since they largely aren't the ones implementing said action plan it's perfectly suitable for an AI.

C suites and execs are going to do all they can to ever avoid mentioning this though.

Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff

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Post by BigJono »

briga wrote: post #37

If there are productivity gains of 30% per engineer, doesn't it stand to reason that hiring more engineers would make the org even more productive? This is like the opposite of 2021 where every tech company went on a wild hiring spree (remember how well that went?). Now in 2025 tech companies are just going to stop hiring anyone. I suspect by 2026 they will have a bunch of slop AI spaghetti code that no one can maint…

Soon there's going to be a fuckload of money in pretending to clean up AI generated code while secretly deleting it and starting again.
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