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Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Orange juice is high in sugars. Drinking any alternative beverage with a lot of sugar is bad for your health. I believe a 12 ounce glass of orange juice is 100% of maximum sugar intake for one day. If you drank orange juice the same way you drank soda with added sugar, the health effect would be equally detrimental.

> the health effect would be equally detrimental. From the article: > High doses of rapidly digested glucose also activate insulin and other regulatory pathways... Orange Soda (i.e. Fanta), an SSB, and Orange Juice have glycemic indexes of about 68 and 48 respectively. I assume that's a material difference in that OJ doesn't spike your insulin as abruptly and therefore is not as harmful. Thre's more to it than simply…

The diabetics I know say OJ is worse than (sugared) sodas.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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It's a risky way of thinking to reduce every act to a moral choice. ie I could have used the energy that I burned making this post, to hand out a dollar to a homeless person. Beyond how ridiculously reductive this becomes, it's impractical. You have to have carbs for your brain to run.

I agree with peers. Doesn’t Keto (for part of the year) worked for millennia for our ancestors?

Most of our ancestors lived a fraction of the lifespans we do.

So any argument based on “it worked for our ancestors” is flawed.

“It worked for our ancestors” could be the beginning of an idea for research, but certainly does not take you much further than that.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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About 15 years ago, I stopped drinking soda. Not out of a desire to be healthy or loose weight but simply because it dawned on me that for the same amount of sugar in one soft drink that I drink without any afterthought, I could enjoy a really good pastry that I can slowly savor. I do the same for fats. The way I look at it, I want to maximize the "enjoyment per kcalorie". :) More recently, I'm starting to apply this…

Good for you. I think for meat especially, there's a difference between the stuff people talk about (like premium steaks they almost never eat) and the reality of what ends up on their plates which is a lot less glamorous. A typical fast food burger just isn't that great in terms of texture, taste, looks, etc. and IMHO almost always disappointingly unsatisfying and slightly uncomfortable afterwards. I'll eat that onc…

Man, as an Indian, this is hard to read. You're spreading a lot of misinformation about Indian food.

> Which is possibly also a reason why vegan food is popular in India.

First, while there are a lot of tasty Indian vegetarian dishes, vegan food is decidedly not a cultural thing. We use butter and ghee pretty commonly in food: definitely not vegan. India is the world's largest milk producer; also not vegan. That dal you refer to will often have a "tadka" of ghee and spices on top. The "dal makhani" - another popular restaurant dish - literally means "buttered dal".

And the reason pre-cooked meat pieces are added to curries in restaurants is that we need to get the food to you in 5-7 minutes. We can't cook it leisurely for 25-30 minutes in the gravy like we would do at home. It's called "mise en place" in the restaurant business.

> Lots of Indian restaurants usually have vegan or vegetarian versions of most of their curries where they toss in some tofu or paneer instead of meat.

If it's India, you're talking about, you're unlikely to find tofu being used in a restaurant. Paneer is made from milk, so...not vegan. Maybe restaurants abroad do it differently.

> And the whole point of heavy spicing in countries with warm climates like India was historically to mask the flavor of cheap cuts of meat that were maybe a bit past their prime. Which is possibly also a reason why vegan food is popular in India.

OK, this annoying canard is the worst. [1] Spices and meat used to be both historically expensive. A bit of research will tell you that. You know, that whole "spice trade" thing. Malaysian, Singaporean, Sri Lankan, food also use spices and they're not vegetarian cultures at all. (For that matter, only some 30% of Indians are vegetarians, despite the stereotype, but that's a discussion for another day.)

TL;DR India has lots of good vegetarian food, but hardly any of us are vegans.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spice#Preservative_claim

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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I'd bet a dollar per gram additive sugar tax in excess of 5g would immediately flatten the chronic disease curve. Maybe double that if it's marketed towards kids. There are a lot of problems besides sugar/HFCS but it's easily towards the top of the list.

You're proposing something like a 500% markup on sugar? For context, that's like 400% higher than even the highest cigarette taxes.

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Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Sucrose is 50% fructose. HFCS is typically 42-55% fructose. They are essentially indistinguishable to your liver.

> Sucrose is 50% fructose What? They're different molecules

Sucrose is a disaccharide made up of 50% glucose and 50% fructose.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Well this article scared me. Guess I will have to quit Mountain Dew. But what if I switched to the sugar free one? (Am I swapping diabetes and heart disease for cancer?)

First you should take a few long minutes and think hard about why you drink this shit in the first place.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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I'd bet a dollar per gram additive sugar tax in excess of 5g would immediately flatten the chronic disease curve. Maybe double that if it's marketed towards kids. There are a lot of problems besides sugar/HFCS but it's easily towards the top of the list.

Yeah but then again, selling addictive sugar shit is lucrative AND treating diabetes is lucrative. Very few people in charge care about your health, the world would be a very different place if it was the case.

The solutions are extremely simple, and it's the same for many of our modern issues, the will simply isn't there.

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There is almost nothing* like sugar drinks in the natural world our bodies evolved in. Sugar drinks are about as different as tea leaves and pure cocaine. It's is no coincidence that both are refined white powders. *honey

Well still different, as I could never possibly drink 300ml of honey, without choking or something worse. On the other hand, grape juice, while not 100% natural, I’m not sure how it fares against cola (just considering sugar, not the rest of the junk) Once I drunk some not-still-done wine, basically grape juice where the fermentation started, and so some bubbles were present. That was the most natural and delicious s…

When in human history could you drink 1L+ of fruit juice for $2 every single day regardless of the season?

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"Sugar: The Bitter Truth" ( https://robertlustig.com/sugar-the-bitter-truth/ ) is a pretty long watch, but it's incredibly eye-opening in terms of explaining in detail exactly why our current dietary sugar intake is so damaging to our bodies. Note: Robert Lustig is a professor of pediatric endocrinology at UCSF, I promise I wouldn't ask you (the reader) to watch a long-ass youtube video unless it contained extremely…

Lustig is a crank with opinions well outside scientific consensus.

When you make accusations like this why not offer a specific illustrative example to avoid suggestions of mere name calling. Scientific consensus?. Actually nutrition & medical science is replete with the abandonment of 'received opinion'. How about applauding researchers who have novel ideas outside the consensus while at the same time insisting they demonstrate their evidence or in problematic areas, convincing reasons for pursuing their path?

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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About 15 years ago, I stopped drinking soda. Not out of a desire to be healthy or loose weight but simply because it dawned on me that for the same amount of sugar in one soft drink that I drink without any afterthought, I could enjoy a really good pastry that I can slowly savor. I do the same for fats. The way I look at it, I want to maximize the "enjoyment per kcalorie". :) More recently, I'm starting to apply this…

> About 15 years ago, I stopped drinking soda. Not out of a desire to be healthy or loose weight[...] Same thing happened to me at probably around the same time. I realized I could just have a lollypop, and it would be a tenth of the sugar. Most of the sweetness in soda doesn't even get a chance to touch your tongue before it's going down your throat. If I want candy, I should just have a piece of candy. If I'm thirs…

If I go to a restaurant with fill your own drinks (rare in the UK), I generally get soda water with about 10% coke. It's remarkable how much it tastes (to me) just like coke, albeit palatably sweet. I always thought the sugar tax should be a sweetness tax to change people's perceptions.
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