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Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by f1shy »

xnx wrote: post #84

There is almost nothing* like sugar drinks in the natural world our bodies evolved in. Sugar drinks are about as different as tea leaves and pure cocaine. It's is no coincidence that both are refined white powders. *honey

Well still different, as I could never possibly drink 300ml of honey, without choking or something worse.

On the other hand, grape juice, while not 100% natural, I’m not sure how it fares against cola (just considering sugar, not the rest of the junk)

Once I drunk some not-still-done wine, basically grape juice where the fermentation started, and so some bubbles were present. That was the most natural and delicious soda I’ve ever tasted… I do bot even hope it can be healthy to the body… but my soul ;)

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by gklitz »

sitkack wrote: post #2

> Burdens of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar-sweetened beverages in 184 countries https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03345-4.pdf The data and the code used for the analysis appears to be available. ---- One of the reasons that we don't have Universal Healthcare in the US is that things that are categorically unhealthy would be prohibited from being sold. Afterall, it would ben…

> One of the reasons that we don't have Universal Healthcare in the US is that things that are categorically unhealthy would be prohibited from being sold.

Counter argument: Pretty much every other nation has socialized healthcare and still allows sugary beverages and tobacco products.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by Laforet »

aziaziazi wrote: post #252
mohaine wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation? Is this a normal soda consumption levels in humans or when feeding it to rats at some obscene rate? I'm not saying it is good for you, but we need facts not blind statements with no context.

I’m not an expert but a quick search leads me to: > We identify NAS-altered microbial metabolic pathways that are linked to host susceptibility to metabolic disease, and demonstrate similar NAS-induced dysbiosis and glucose intolerance in healthy human subjects. Collectively, our results link NAS consumption, dysbiosis and metabolic abnormalities, thereby calling for a reassessment of massive NAS usage I’d be glad to…

This paper you linked does not even involve aspartame. The only sweetener they experimented with is saccharin. You can check out the main figures from the link below:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265791239_Artificia...

I would be very reluctant to read too deep into this given saccharin is known to behave very differently in animal models - for a long time it was thought to cause bladder cancer, but follow up studies proved that it’s an idiosyncratic reaction only found in female lab rats and no other gender/species combination. Not to mention the dose used was unrealistic to begin with.

It’s entirely plausible that sugar analogs like sucralose and non-calorific sugar alcohols such as erythritol and maltitol can cause long term changes in the gut biome but high quality evidence is still lacking.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by gleenn »

gigatexal wrote: post #264

Well this article scared me. Guess I will have to quit Mountain Dew. But what if I switched to the sugar free one? (Am I swapping diabetes and heart disease for cancer?)

Weird software X diabetes story. CFO at my small startup had type 2. We only had sugar free sodas and water bottles and, oddly, Capri Suns at my 15 person startup. I distinctly remember wracking my brain working on some code for long day and my brain was like "give me sugar!". I didn't realize that attempting to feed it many (sugar-free) sodas, it wasn't getting what it wanted. It needed the glucose. I began surreptitiously drinking Capri Suns. My CFO sees me chugging aforementioned childrens' drink and informs me those are his emergency sugar drinks and please don't accidentally kill him if he ODs on insulin. Never learned so much biology while writing software in my life.

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Post by cableshaft »

davoneus wrote: post #188
malfist wrote: post #163

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Citric acid and phosphoric acid likely have the same impact on your teeth and no impact on your bones and kidneys. Acids and bases on your diet have very little to do with what pH is exposed to the rest of your body. Your stomach is probably more acid than anything you eat or drink, and your lungs and kidneys tightly regulate the pH of the blood. If your diet is effecting your blood pH, your probably already on death…

Intuitively, I suspect any acid is bad for your teeth. But I see that statement primarily from Dentists, and their track record in a number of areas is less than stellar. Prime example: Flossing and 6 month checkups. Neither of which have good scientific evidence, despite their widespread promotion.

I go every three months, and they have a good amount of tartar to clean off my teeth then. Also before I did that I was having pretty significant pockets for gum disease for all my teeth (it was close to the point where it's irreversible).

It's mostly under control now, except for problem areas in two specific spots, but even those are still better than they were.

I haven't really changed my dental hygeine habits other than going in for routine cleanings twice as often, so it's definitely helping.

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Post by looofooo0 »

gigatexal wrote: post #264

Well this article scared me. Guess I will have to quit Mountain Dew. But what if I switched to the sugar free one? (Am I swapping diabetes and heart disease for cancer?)

Artifical sweeterner are pretty safe, go for it.

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Post by cableshaft »

brailsafe wrote: post #87
exhilaration wrote: post #79

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So taking myself as an example: I drink 12 oz of coffee daily (7 days per week), and I add exactly 12 grams of table sugar to my coffee each day (equivalent to 3 sugar packets), which is 45 calories. Seems like I don't have much wiggle room and should continue avoiding soda and juice.

I'll be the guy that I assume most people are sick of by this point, and recommend experimenting with dropping the additives in exchange for higher quality coffee if you can afford it (it's usually not much more per cup). At effectively zero calories, after some period of time you'll get used to it and recalibrate your sense of sweetness to the point where sugary drinks and coffee are much less palatable

I was able to switch to coffee and a little half and half with nothing else. That seems to be good enough for me and pretty low calorie and sugar content.

Drinking black coffee only has been difficult though, even with more expensive coffee (I'm not sure what's considered higher quality necessarily, but I have an espresso machine and I'm grinding whole beans for brands of coffee that websites claim are good)

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Post by sideshowb »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #227
jtc331 wrote: post #218

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I believe sucrose and fructose are processed differently — specifically fructose is processed by the liver so can have the same issues as alcohol there.

Sucrose is 50% fructose. HFCS is typically 42-55% fructose. They are essentially indistinguishable to your liver.

> Sucrose is 50% fructose

What? They're different molecules

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