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Re: BlackGirlsCode Raises $21,000 To Fund Summer Of Code Program

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Post by colmvp »

JPKab wrote: post #22
peterwwillis wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're saying that charities should do a breakdown of all the demographics in a given area, and spend exactly the same resources on getting them all help? I wasn't aware that charities and non-profits were supposed to be so generalized. I thought targeting specific issues was part of the point, to have a greater chance at solving at least one problem. The net effect of this organization's efforts will be to elevat…

There should be zero targeting of ethnicity. Excluding people based on ethnicity is wrong, no matter what the ethnic group is. And what makes you so sure that black men would relate to black women better than they would men of other ethnic backgrounds? Which is the bigger divider, gender or ethnicity? The point I am making isn't that this isn't a good thing, because as I said in my original post, helping any disadvan…

"...its just that modern political correctness has taught you that it's ok to discriminate based on race as long as it isn't favoring whites."

That's because white men have less barriers to... well everything.

Re: BlackGirlsCode Raises $21,000 To Fund Summer Of Code Program

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Post by nollidge »

Produce wrote: post #100
colmvp wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'So if I started a charity called WhiteMenCode, do you think that it would be fair to all of the other races and genders?' Do white guys need more help in America? Statistically, white men have a higher chance at being well... anything. Actor. Model. CEOs. Executives. Managers. Interracial marriages. Politicians. Lack of racial profiling. White men getting worked up about this is like rich people getting worked up ab…

That's making the assumption that white people cannot possibly be poor and that black women cannot possibly be rich. I, for one, was poor most of my life and I'm white, albeit not in the US but just across the pond. There are plenty of white people who live in abject poverty. Deprivation of basic needs knows no colour, creed or gender. Why draw lines when it would benefit more people to refrain from doing so? That's…

I don't think you're actually reading the words that you're responding to. Saying that "[s]tatistically, white men have a higher chance at being well...everything," does not, in any way, assume "that white people cannot possibly be poor and that black women cannot possibly be rich"

Saying that white men have a better chance of being rich does not imply that white men are never poor.

>That's the problem with statistics - they work on large masses and derive means, medians and modes.

Great lesson, but if what you're saying is that poor people are disadvantaged, the statistics back that up, too. Both of these statements are true:

1) Black people are disadvantaged

2) Poor people are disadvantaged

These are separate problems. A black individual making $60,000 a year still has fewer privileges than a white person making the same.

Maybe you don't think it's as dire a problem as the poor/non-poor problem, but so what? They are still doing something positive. Maybe I think their resources would be better applied to some other problem, but unless I'm going to volunteer to fix it myself, I'll leave them to their work.

Re: BlackGirlsCode Raises $21,000 To Fund Summer Of Code Program

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Post by mibbitier »

nollidge wrote: post #125
mibbitier wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that's fine. But you can't have it both ways... If you believe in free speech, you have to accept people saying things you don't like. If you believe in freedom to set criteria on who you accept for something, you should also accept "white men only private clubs" etc.

Nobody wants it both ways here. I do accept "white men only private clubs". I think they're shitty and absurd, but so be it, it's a free country. I'm not sure what you're arguing against. Nobody said they're excluding non-blacks or non-girls. Maybe they would, and I would definitely disagree with that. What they are doing is focusing their attention on black girls. Other children are not being disadvantaged in the pr…

I was just pointing out a possible double standard in some peoples thinking... eg racism/sexism is fine, but only if it's in a certain direction.

Re: BlackGirlsCode Raises $21,000 To Fund Summer Of Code Program

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Post by tysonjennings »

Jach wrote: post #130
rmc wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, yes you did: What's the poorest country in the western hemisphere? Haiti. What makes it "special"? Now, what's the poorest most impoverished continent in the world? Africa. What makes it "special"? I think you get the picture. You implied "poverty, ergo stupidity"

I interpreted it the other way around, it's easy to get mixed up when subjects are sensitive. He's not trying a deductive argument (which would be trivially defeated by pointing to, off the top of my head, Perelman, and many others one which you also tried), his approach is inductive. He's offering statements about reality as evidence which are consistent with the hypothesis that "black people are stupider on average…

"Of course, you could just flame him as others are doing. Might be better to just downvote and ignore (as many are as well)."

Yep, in the absence of actual argument just marginalize. I'm sure you feel much better now.

Re: BlackGirlsCode Raises $21,000 To Fund Summer Of Code Program

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Post by tysonjennings »

king_jester wrote: post #127
tysonjennings wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a web forum not a dissertation. Do your own research.

You asserted that black people are of lower intelligence than other groups of people without any citation or argument. You also argued that the status of Haiti and Africa (two unalike things, btw, as one is a country and another a continent) is solely due to this lack of intelligence instead of a history of exploitation and colonialism. Then, you cite the Dunning–Kruger effect as a way to dismiss criticism. I am mere…

"You asserted that black people are of lower intelligence than other groups"

I didn't "assert" anything. I pointed out that statistically speaking blacks are intellectually inferior. Sans statistics, yes, that would be an assertion but the statistics exist and are voluminous. Do your own research though as I'm not your professor.

"clearly are racist"

I'm not sure where you got that from. Maybe my use of the word "inferior". I'm sorry that word has a negative connotation as I meant it as prosaically as possible. Of course, when you can't argue marginalize, right?

At the risk of sounding like a hypocrite I've had more intelligent discussion with my 2 year old nephew.

Re: BlackGirlsCode Raises $21,000 To Fund Summer Of Code Program

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Post by mrmusa »

grannyg00se wrote: post #126
mrmusa wrote: post #89

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since when do all colors exclude white?

Well I may have read "all colored girls" rather than "girls of all colors" but mostly it doesn't seem to make sense to call your organization BlackGirlsCode and have race be completely irrelevant. Why bring it up at all? It's encouraging race discrimination either way.

> Why bring it up at all?

Ever heard of black girls rock? This is a meme but most people have no clue.

> It's encouraging race discrimination either way

WHO is encouraged to discriminate racially by this? You? Not me.

If you are concerned with racial discrimination, please go visit your public schools across whatever U.S. state you live in and try to explain why there is such racial segregation even in the absence of school names such as Black Boys Academy. Hint, it ain't in the name.

Re: BlackGirlsCode Raises $21,000 To Fund Summer Of Code Program

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Post by mrmusa »

grannyg00se wrote: post #126
mrmusa wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

since when do all colors exclude white?

Well I may have read "all colored girls" rather than "girls of all colors" but mostly it doesn't seem to make sense to call your organization BlackGirlsCode and have race be completely irrelevant. Why bring it up at all? It's encouraging race discrimination either way.

also consider my other comment http://news.ycombinator.org/item?id=4262854 and understand that taking issue with the name, is precisely race discrimination. You'd feel better if it wasn't racial so you are almost certainly withholding support because it is racially identified. That's a self-contradicting position and the only way I can understand what you mean when you say it encourages race discrimination – because you have discriminated. Please prove me wrong with your support for BlackGirlsCode.

Re: BlackGirlsCode Raises $21,000 To Fund Summer Of Code Program

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Post by Steko »

JPKab wrote: post #13

I realize that the realities of the limited resources available for charities and non-profits is what leads to the ethnic and gender based targeting, but this just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Is it a good cause? Yes. Teaching any disadvantaged group a useful skill is a great thing, but solving a problem of exclusion with further exclusion is, in principal, bad. I grew up in a poor, mostly black, rural county in V…

"It's too bad that there isn't a powerful special interest group backed up by a bunch of humanities professors looking out for the impoverished non-black non-females"

Shorter JPKab: poor white men, when will they ever catch a break in this country.

Re: BlackGirlsCode Raises $21,000 To Fund Summer Of Code Program

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Post by EricDeb »

natrius wrote: post #75
mibbitier wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that's fine. But you can't have it both ways... If you believe in free speech, you have to accept people saying things you don't like. If you believe in freedom to set criteria on who you accept for something, you should also accept "white men only private clubs" etc.

While I might find someone's speech distasteful, I'd fight for it's legality. While I'd find "white men only private clubs" distasteful, I think they should be legal. When it comes to taste, however, I'll absolutely have it both ways. Some racial preferences are noble. Some are repugnant.

They already exist... they're called fraternities... minus a token person of color here and there
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