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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by BunsanSpace »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #891
bryanlarsen wrote: post #327

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Neither Freeland nor Carney want to be the next Kim Campbell. The Liberals are going to lose the next election badly whether or not Trudeau is leading it. I'm sure that Trudeau made the decision to step down ~6 months ago and is now just playing with the timing to maximum effect. Stepping down now basically pushes the election three months further out than it would otherwise be due to a prorogation to pick a new lead…

Yeah my expectation is this next leadership campaign will be half-assed and "fought" by people who know they will never be PM. Instead they'll expect 4-5 years of PP and somewhere in the middle another leadership campaign that they'll then try to win. I do think Freeland is too tainted by Trudeau now to be a success. Very intelligent woman, but I think her political career is ending. (I should check back on this comm…

I agree she's tainted which makes her a bad choice to be his successor. But people have short memories and I think in 3-4 years the Trudeau stains will have washed off. In that time she'll have a chance to make a name for herself.

I think if she wanted she could very well be a contender in the next election cycle.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by the-chitmonger »

usixk wrote: post #955

Current canuck here. Since Trudeau has been elected the likelihood of purchasing a home or finding a job has drastically reduced and continues to fall. Rising tides raise all boats, given that the rent has risen everywhere too. This creates a divide between the have and have-nots of property ownership and public or private employment. This divides ends in the individuals who have are happy since their investment skyr…

Speaking as US citizen, what policies/legislation could Trudeau have reasonably enacted to alleviate the housing/job market? It's been pretty rough stateside as far as real estate goes, but it doesn't seem like a solution will materialize (that is to say, there's no solution that avoids hurting the wallets of the people in charge).

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by bitsage »

potato3732842 wrote: post #858
selfmodruntime wrote: post #721

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Upon digging, Wikipedia most prominently cites secondary sources here. The first of which is linked to a group called "Maru Group", whose website is dysfunctional. They are owned by Stagwell Marketing, whose CEO, Mark Penn, is directly linked to the US and Canadian Government, and more specifically to companies which were directly hurt by the trucking protest. Maru Group's sampling is tiny, they asked only 1500 peopl…

That scares me about the quality of wikipedia stats on other subjects.

For anything even remotely controversial, I stick exclusively with primary sources and ignore Wikipedia. The site is clearly compromised by admins who only want left-leaning secondary sources summarized. If you come across a controversial topic with biased, or even faulty information, the admins will remove edits which don’t comply with their bias, ban persistent users, and eventually “protect” the article. Even one of the co-founders has railed against the current state of the site.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by ericmcer »

usixk wrote: post #955

Current canuck here. Since Trudeau has been elected the likelihood of purchasing a home or finding a job has drastically reduced and continues to fall. Rising tides raise all boats, given that the rent has risen everywhere too. This creates a divide between the have and have-nots of property ownership and public or private employment. This divides ends in the individuals who have are happy since their investment skyr…

This is almost identical to the US economy, we have decent job growth... until you remove government jobs. It's really insidious how the current setup kills small businesses and drives everyone to government work, if this trend continues will the government just slowly consume everything?

Washington D.C. now is only behind SF and Seattle in average income. If you want money you either work for a sector that is booming or the government.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by snapplebobapple »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #724
roenxi wrote: post #537

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On April 25, 2022, Prime Minister Trudeau selected Rouleau to be the commissioner of the Public Order Emergency Commission inquiry into the invocation of the Emergencies Act, which had occurred in response to the 2022 Canada convoy protest. ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rouleau That is one step removed from Trudeau investigating himself, we're not talking the gold standard of systemic independence here.

Each political side loves laws like this until the other side gets in power.

That's the bigger picture problem with Canada (and nearly every place else). Our laws assume the government is the good guy, when they should be assuming the government is public enemy number one.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by usixk »

the-chitmonger wrote: post #972
usixk wrote: post #955

Current canuck here. Since Trudeau has been elected the likelihood of purchasing a home or finding a job has drastically reduced and continues to fall. Rising tides raise all boats, given that the rent has risen everywhere too. This creates a divide between the have and have-nots of property ownership and public or private employment. This divides ends in the individuals who have are happy since their investment skyr…

Speaking as US citizen, what policies/legislation could Trudeau have reasonably enacted to alleviate the housing/job market? It's been pretty rough stateside as far as real estate goes, but it doesn't seem like a solution will materialize (that is to say, there's no solution that avoids hurting the wallets of the people in charge).

I'm no economist by any means but most armchair experts I interact tend to believe that this drive in pricing comes from low yield government spending, increased immigration and of course lower rate of residences being built.

IMO, altering immigration levels would have the most tangible affect on the housing and jobs (unsure about the US). I'm not bullish on the idea that we can build residences quickly and the government spending is hard to control with poor financial auditing among the current administration.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by usixk »

ericmcer wrote: post #974
usixk wrote: post #955

Current canuck here. Since Trudeau has been elected the likelihood of purchasing a home or finding a job has drastically reduced and continues to fall. Rising tides raise all boats, given that the rent has risen everywhere too. This creates a divide between the have and have-nots of property ownership and public or private employment. This divides ends in the individuals who have are happy since their investment skyr…

This is almost identical to the US economy, we have decent job growth... until you remove government jobs. It's really insidious how the current setup kills small businesses and drives everyone to government work, if this trend continues will the government just slowly consume everything? Washington D.C. now is only behind SF and Seattle in average income. If you want money you either work for a sector that is boomin…

Hm, I'm unfamiliar with the public:private job ratio in the US. I'd imagine other industries bolster the US more (tech being an obvious one)? Whereas in Canada our biggest industries have dwindled and we typically lose our knowledge-based workers to you gosh darn freedom lovers!

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by 8note »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #72
busterarm wrote: post #51

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While I agree with patio11's assessment here, if you were to poll the average Ottawan about the trucker protest, you'll largely get back a response of "#&$! those people", soley because they were minorly-inconvenienced by them. Canadian politics (not uniquely here) is plagued with petty squabbles. The really meaningful political and social issues don't get any airtime.

> if you were to poll the average Ottawan about the trucker protest, you'll largely get back a response of "#&$! those people", soley because they were minorly-inconvenienced by them This just illustrates why pure/Athenian democracy doesn’t work. Madness of the crowds and all that. Decide most issues by plebescite and you get an emotional outcome.

its a much less severe response than there would gave been, compared to say, ottawabs torching the trucks along with anyone in them

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by 8note »

glitchc wrote: post #238
dylan604 wrote: post #66

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> less-than-joking threats of annexation This is an interesting statement in that, sadly, the person making the threats is not joking yet to those that have not drunk the kool-aid it is an utter joke of a concept.

The President is technically the commander-in-chief of the armed forces in the US. His opinion carries weight, fortunately or unfortunately.

the president is biden, and biden has not made such jokes. the president elect has made them, but he is not currently commander-in-chief. he may atop making those jokes once he has power

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by ashoeafoot »

Manuel_D wrote: post #753
throw0101d wrote: post #374

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> flip the sides, i.e. you've a conservative government and a liberal protesting organization, and I'll wait to see your reaction. You mean like what the pro-Palestinian folks did at UofT (not far from where I work) in 2024 and who lost a court case (2024 ONSC 3755)? I was fine it. Was also fine with the 'Occupy Toronto' folks losing their court case: 2011 ONSC 6862. And as it stands, I live in Toronto, Canada, which…

> You mean like what the pro-Palestinian folks did at UofT (not far from where I work) in 2024 and who lost a court case (2024 ONSC 3755)? I was fine it. How many of the UofT protestors were de-banked? There's a vast difference between having tents removed from a public space, and being cut off from essential parts of modern life. You can't pay insurance with cash. You can't have a regular phone contract. You may not…

like a illegal immigrant?
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