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Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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The faster we decouple from societies like american, the better we europeans will be. We europeans defend our European way of life, against the degenerate capitalism of the US.

I challenge you to find another economic system that has worked in history, because it sure isn’t communism if that’s what you’re referencing. This is also aside from the fact that Europe is also a subscriber to capitalism. America is the most successful country on this earth and we bankroll most of the rest of the world but somehow we’re always the bad guys. As an American I’d be very happy if my tax dollars stopped…

> America is the most successful country on this earth and we bankroll most of the rest of the world

I'm going to need a source (and some definitions) for that.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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I'm sure it's a win for Meta (less responsibility, less expense, potentially less criticism, potentially more ad dollars), but certainly a loss for users. More glad than ever that I deleted my FB account 10 years ago, and Twitter once it went X.

Why is it “certainly a loss for users”? Many are likely to enjoy the ability to post without censorship on topics they care about.

Fact-checking and censorship are two very different things.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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> That's where the censorship starts. It also starts when there is no third-party anymore. Where is the middle line?

I thought there would be community notes. And how would third-party work? The Stanford doctor was banned from X because he posted peer-reviewed papers that challenge the effectiveness of masks (or vaccines)? I certainly don't want to see that level of hysteria.

> The Stanford doctor was banned from X because he posted peer-reviewed papers that challenging the effectiveness of masks (or vaccines)? I certainly don't want to see that level of hysteria.

Not familiar with that specific case, though generally I'm not a fan a bans. Fact checks are great though. There have been peer reviewed papers about midi-chlorians too (https://www.irishnews.com/magazine/science/2017/07/24/news/a...), but I'd sure hope that if someone brought it up in a discussion they'd be fact checked.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Why is it “certainly a loss for users”? Many are likely to enjoy the ability to post without censorship on topics they care about.

Fact-checking and censorship are two very different things.

Deleting isn't fact-checking. Whereas "community noting" actually can make a case for being fact-checking.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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I get how the partisan story is easy to tell here, but I'm saying something pretty specific: I think it would have been product development malpractice for this decision not to have been in the works for many, many months, long before the GOP takeover of the federal government was a safe bet. Community Notes has been that successful, and Facebook's fact-checkers have been that much of a product disaster. I've never s…

I expect it was an easy bone to throw the incoming administration, which the tech world learned from v1 is placatable by giving them PR / sound bite wins. To the broader concern, this feels like Facebook making their original sin again. Namely defunding and destroying revenue for a task that takes money (fact checking) and then expecting a free, community-driven approach to replace it. Turns out, hot takes for clicks…

No, I meant to say Facebook fact-check.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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I'm certain it will make parts of the user experience worse, but at least for the Threads app, this seems at least a little necessary - if you're aiming to be the "new" twitter or whatever social need twitter was fulfilling, you need to break free of the shackles of IG/Meta moderation, which is very unforgiving and brutal in very subtle ways that aren't always easy to figure out. But basically, I find a platform like…

I once posted a picture of an email stating my train was delayed in French. So the word 'retard' appeared in it. Instagram banned me from monetization or partnerships or something on my account, because the word for delay in French is offensive in English.

retar dio

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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My answer is don't. If something is subjective, then why bother? "Words are violence" is such a bullshit.

Okay, but you're saying this on a platform where the moderator (dang) follows intentionally vague and subjective guidelines, presumably because you like the environment more here than some unmoderated howling void elsewhere on the Internet.

Good point, and thanks. I have to admit I don't have a good answer to this. Maybe what dang needs to assess can be better defined or qualified? Like we can't define porn but we know it when we see it? On the other hand, assessing something is offensive or is hate speech is so subjective that people simply weaponize them, intentionally or unintentionally.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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I'd like to hear an informed take from anybody who thinks that Facebook's fact-checkers were a better product feature than Community Notes. All of the articles I'm seeing about this online are ideological, but this feels like the kind of decision that should have been in the works for multiple quarters now, given how effective Notes have been, and how comically ineffective and off-putting fact-checkers have been. The…

The ideological bits are: * Dana White added to the board. * "Move our trust and safety and content moderation teams out of California, and our US content review to Texas. This will help remove the concern that biased employees are overly censoring content." - like people being in Texas makes them more objective?! The actual mechanisms of running a social media network at scale are tricky and I think most of us would…

Austin is much closer to the center of mainstream American sentiment than the SF Bay Area, but it’s still to the left of center.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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As a product decision taken independently, maybe. Running one of those things at scale with all kinds of people trying to subvert it for various reasons, including some downright evil ones, is not an easy task. Announced together with everything else and given the timing, I just can't help but think there's a political component to all of it.

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Facebook is a corporation and can 'censor' whoever they like. They are not 'the US'.

Part of the reason why they moderate content is the same reason that a bar owner turfs out people who are rowdy and threatening the other patrons: because the normies will leave and you're left with a bunch of nasty, loud people.

That is, after all, why this site we're on right now is so heavily moderated: it makes for a better user experience.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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I expect it was an easy bone to throw the incoming administration, which the tech world learned from v1 is placatable by giving them PR / sound bite wins. To the broader concern, this feels like Facebook making their original sin again. Namely defunding and destroying revenue for a task that takes money (fact checking) and then expecting a free, community-driven approach to replace it. Turns out, hot takes for clicks…

No, I meant to say Facebook fact-check.

> Facebook's fact-checkers have been that much of a product disaster.

> I've never seen a wrong Facebook fact-check

Confused between these two statements, then.

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