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Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by extraduder_ire »

qingcharles wrote: post #179
saxonww wrote: post #4

What I think I just read is that content moderation is complicated, error-prone, and expensive. So Meta is going to do a lot less of it. They'll let you self-moderate via a new community notes system, similar to what X does. I think this is a big win for Meta, because it means people who care about the content being right will have to engage more with the Meta products to ensure their worldview is correctly represent…

Community Notes is the best thing about Musk's Dumpster fire. The problem with CN right now, though, is that Musk appears to block it on most of his posts, and/or right-wing moderators downvote the notes so they don't appear or disappear.

Community notes launched at the start of 2021. It predates the buyout by almost two years.

If what they said about their design is to be believed, political downvoting shouldn't heavily impact them. I wish it was easier to see pending notes on a post though.

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Post by FergusArgyll »

I know there has been a lot of ink spilled trying to persuade that Technology can't solve our deeper problems and Technologists are too optimistic about having real-world impact etc. etc.

But I think community notes (the model, not necessarily the specific implementation of one company or another) is one of those algorithms that truly solve a messy messy sticky problem.

Fact-checking and other "Big J Journalist" attempts to suppress "misinformation" is a very broken model.

1) It leads to less and less trust in the fact checkers which drives more people to fringe outlets etc.

2) They also are in fact quite biased (as are all humans, but it's less important if your electrician has socialist/MAGA/Libertarian biases)

3) The absolute firehose of online content means fact checkers/media etc. can't actually fact check everything and end up fact checking old fake news while the new stuff is spreading

The community notes model is inherently more democratic, decentralized and actually fair. and this is the big one it works! unlike many of the other "tech will save us" (e.g. web3 ideas) It is extremely effective and even-handed.

I recommend reading the Birdwatch paper [0], it's quite heartening and I'm happy more tech companies are moving in that direction

[0] https://github.com/twitter/communitynotes/blob/main/birdwatc...

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by tptacek »

josefritzishere wrote: post #199
tptacek wrote: post #192

I'd like to hear an informed take from anybody who thinks that Facebook's fact-checkers were a better product feature than Community Notes. All of the articles I'm seeing about this online are ideological, but this feels like the kind of decision that should have been in the works for multiple quarters now, given how effective Notes have been, and how comically ineffective and off-putting fact-checkers have been. The…

Generally fb has trended to worse rather than better. I already passed my personal tipping point years ago and quit fb.

It is what it is. It's a hotspot for local politics, so quitting it isn't really an option for me.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by baggachipz »

JohnMakin wrote: post #183

I'm certain it will make parts of the user experience worse, but at least for the Threads app, this seems at least a little necessary - if you're aiming to be the "new" twitter or whatever social need twitter was fulfilling, you need to break free of the shackles of IG/Meta moderation, which is very unforgiving and brutal in very subtle ways that aren't always easy to figure out. But basically, I find a platform like…

A tale as old as time. On old forums and groups: h4xor, ghey, etc.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by ziddoap »

WalterBright wrote: post #187
saxonww wrote: post #4

What I think I just read is that content moderation is complicated, error-prone, and expensive. So Meta is going to do a lot less of it. They'll let you self-moderate via a new community notes system, similar to what X does. I think this is a big win for Meta, because it means people who care about the content being right will have to engage more with the Meta products to ensure their worldview is correctly represent…

The trouble with fact checkers was quite evident in the Trump-Harris debate.

Non-American here (i.e. did not watch the debate), what trouble became evident?

Were they fact-checking too much? Not enough? Incorrectly?

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by qingcharles »

oliviergg wrote: post #54

Zuck claims "Europe has an ever increasing number of laws,institutionalizing censorship and making difficult to build something innovative" Ouch. As a European, I feel very wary of such a sentence and the implications. Time for Europe to wake up ? (edit: fix typos)

As a European I would say that Europe's governments are radically more focused on the well-being of their populations than say, the USA.

But... is it just luck or is it this Nanny-state issue that makes it very hard to think of a single major Internet destination or tech company that was born in Europe?

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by WalterBright »

ziddoap wrote: post #205
WalterBright wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trouble with fact checkers was quite evident in the Trump-Harris debate.

Non-American here (i.e. did not watch the debate), what trouble became evident? Were they fact-checking too much? Not enough? Incorrectly?

Only one side was fact checked.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by qingcharles »

aimazon wrote: post #17

Mark has looked at what has happened to Twitter since Musk took over, a notable decline in activity and value… and decided he wants a piece of that? Musk is begging people on Twitter to post more positive content, as it devolves into 4chan-lite. If Musk’s ideological experiment with Twitter had proven the idea that you can have a pleasant to use website without any moderation then Mark’s philosophical 180 would at le…

Community Notes has nothing to do with trashfire of posters on Twitter now. CN is probably the only good thing about Twitter right now.

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Post by cwillu »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #5
saxonww wrote: post #4

What I think I just read is that content moderation is complicated, error-prone, and expensive. So Meta is going to do a lot less of it. They'll let you self-moderate via a new community notes system, similar to what X does. I think this is a big win for Meta, because it means people who care about the content being right will have to engage more with the Meta products to ensure their worldview is correctly represent…

> reduce operating expenses If you assume they are immune to politics (not true but let's go with it), this is the most obvious reason. They've seen X hasn't taken that much heat for Community Notes and they're like "wow we can cut a line item". The real problem is, Facebook is not X. 90% of the content on Facebook is not public. You can't Fact Check or Community Note the private groups sharing blatantly false conten…

Good. Private communication is private, even if it's a group. The nice thing about the crazy is that they're incapable of keeping quiet: they will inevitably out themselves.

In the meantime, maybe now I can discuss private matters of my diagnosis without catching random warnings, bans, or worse.

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Post by circlingthesun »

JohnMakin wrote: post #183

I'm certain it will make parts of the user experience worse, but at least for the Threads app, this seems at least a little necessary - if you're aiming to be the "new" twitter or whatever social need twitter was fulfilling, you need to break free of the shackles of IG/Meta moderation, which is very unforgiving and brutal in very subtle ways that aren't always easy to figure out. But basically, I find a platform like…

I once posted a picture of an email stating my train was delayed in French. So the word 'retard' appeared in it. Instagram banned me from monetization or partnerships or something on my account, because the word for delay in French is offensive in English.
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