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Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by bdangubic »

blased wrote: post #156
matrix87 wrote: post #151

during the biden administration they were expected to shift their moderation policies to fit in with the political ideology currently in the white house now it's been normalized and the other party is doing it. but the news outlets have waited until now to start crying wolf?

Maybe, just maybe, it's because most people in the media are Democrats, and therefore inherently self-biased in their concerns and worldviews, and they have a belief that prevents any critical self-examination easily summed up by the Stephen Colbert line that: "reality has a liberal bias." You can't argue with someone who thinks their beliefs are merely "reality." At least the other side recognizes it as religion, et…

there is a huge difference between a belief and a fact. most of the discontent in today's world is this exact issue...

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by hintymad »

saxonww wrote: post #4

What I think I just read is that content moderation is complicated, error-prone, and expensive. So Meta is going to do a lot less of it. They'll let you self-moderate via a new community notes system, similar to what X does. I think this is a big win for Meta, because it means people who care about the content being right will have to engage more with the Meta products to ensure their worldview is correctly represent…

> content moderation is complicated, error-prone, and expensive

I think the fact-checking part is pretty straightforward. What's outrageous is that the content moderators judge content subjectively, labeling perfect discussions as misinformation, hate speech, and etc. That's where the censorship starts.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

saxonww wrote: post #4

What I think I just read is that content moderation is complicated, error-prone, and expensive. So Meta is going to do a lot less of it. They'll let you self-moderate via a new community notes system, similar to what X does. I think this is a big win for Meta, because it means people who care about the content being right will have to engage more with the Meta products to ensure their worldview is correctly represent…

> I think this is a big win for Meta, because it means people who care about the content being right will have to engage more with the Meta products to ensure their worldview is correctly represented.

Strong disagree. This is a very naive understanding of the situation. "Fact-checking" by users is just more of the kind of shouting back and forth that these social networks are already full of. That's why a third-party fact checks are important.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by nicce »

hintymad wrote: post #162
saxonww wrote: post #4

What I think I just read is that content moderation is complicated, error-prone, and expensive. So Meta is going to do a lot less of it. They'll let you self-moderate via a new community notes system, similar to what X does. I think this is a big win for Meta, because it means people who care about the content being right will have to engage more with the Meta products to ensure their worldview is correctly represent…

> content moderation is complicated, error-prone, and expensive I think the fact-checking part is pretty straightforward. What's outrageous is that the content moderators judge content subjectively, labeling perfect discussions as misinformation, hate speech, and etc. That's where the censorship starts.

> That's where the censorship starts.

It also starts when there is no third-party anymore. Where is the middle line?

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by insane_dreamer »

I'm sure it's a win for Meta (less responsibility, less expense, potentially less criticism, potentially more ad dollars), but certainly a loss for users. More glad than ever that I deleted my FB account 10 years ago, and Twitter once it went X.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by nicce »

yodsanklai wrote: post #155
maxfurman wrote: post #31

Meta is giving up on the (impossible by design) task of policing their own platform. The result will be even more poisonous to users. Just like cigarette companies using chemicals in the papers so that they burn slower. Does it improve the product? Maybe, along one dimension.

> Meta is giving up on the (impossible by design) task of policing their own platform. It's a bit more than giving up. They are also going to push more political contents on feed.

And save money in the meantime, assuming users will not leave because of this.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by LtWorf »

drawkward wrote: post #37

Will this totally end content moderation? That could be a small silver lining, as content moderation for FB appears to be extremely hazardous to one's mental health: https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/22/business/facebook-content-mod...

I'd love if they just sorted by timestamp, but no moderation + algorithm deciding what gets shown is not good.

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Post by dijit »

LtWorf wrote: post #116
oliviergg wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that we are awake. As a dev for a long time, I realized only 6 months ago, that all the tools I use daily are directly from US. My job and my life would be very very different without this technology. We are loosing ground, or more, we are falling down more and more quickly.

What tools? The ones I use are done from people all over the world, certainly not predominantly in USA. https://map.debian.net/

I know of exactly 0 European businesses they use free open source software for their office suites.

Z-E-R-O.

I don’t even think companies have their own mailservers anymore, its mostly gsuite and microsoft office 365; people aren’t even hosting business critical applications in Europe unless compliance forces them- let alone using European made tools to do it.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by alibarber »

oliviergg wrote: post #54

Zuck claims "Europe has an ever increasing number of laws,institutionalizing censorship and making difficult to build something innovative" Ouch. As a European, I feel very wary of such a sentence and the implications. Time for Europe to wake up ? (edit: fix typos)

As a European who does generaly feel that the continent is on its way to becomming a museum, describing the absolute bilge that the flagship products of Facebook, YouTube, X etc are as 'innovative' feels in the same ballpark as describing the work of tobacco companies to sell and advertise their products in the 50s-80s as innovative.
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