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My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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> who would prefer their employees to do 1/10th the work by hand, vs. 10x the work using LLMs. What if instead of these fantasy gains you won't be able to do any meaningful work since you can't count to 10 and just ask LLMs without any ability to tell whether the result is correct?

I don't expect LLM hallucinations to be a long-term problem.

Why

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Sounds highly unreliable to me. I would be very surprised if ChatGPT was ever confrontational enough to give out a lower grade like D or F. It also wouldn't surprise me if the grade-letter it chooses tends to be off by one or more grade-letters just due to natural variance/subjectivity of grading and hallucinations.

GPT is blunt, critical, and highly opinionated if you tell it to be. That's what I don't get about people on this forum. GENERATIONS of STEM professionals who have it engraved in their head that a computer will only do what you tell it to - and nothing more, and they still don't think to simply just tell GPT what lens they want it to view content in, or give it accurate and necessary directives. They think it'll hand…

> I don't get where the disconnect is.

Some of us are not satisfied with 73% accuracy.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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> This ensures that the work is purely the students I don't know in the US, but in my part of the world, teachers have always assumed that anything that isn't done in person in front of an examiner has not value because students do cheat or get help. Maybe you would get a bit of extra-credits for the homework and that's it. And for high-stake competitive exams, it's 100% in-person.

How does that work with disability accommodations for students that have to be at home?

A strict system does not contradict making accomodations for those that need them. All countries do it differently but in several European countries you even have graduation certificates that may indicate if you followed a special curriculum or had some accomodations, if relevant for the final result/report.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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I'm rising 3 kids (in France, I don't know if it changes much). We have banned TV, very heavily restricted phones, and we closely follow homework. I'm persuaded it makes a difference wrt parents that don't do that, but somehow isn't a sure fire way of being a "great parent".

I don't know how that helps. Watching TV with my kid has been the best way to teach him I've found. There are great videos and shows that you can watch together and then discuss afterwords. Baking videos. Chemistry. Physics. History. Seeing something on TV is great way to fire up the imagination and inspiration for real world activities.

Could you recommend a few? I've found I need to very heavily curate these for my 6yo

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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My five year old son was watching Lankybox, that stuff is mindnumbing. I tried to control what he's able to watch, but next thing I know he's watching it again. I ended up removing Youtube, relying on PBS Kids. He protested though, PBS Kids is long format shows, and that's not stimulating enough for him.

I hope you'll manage to turn that around. My five year old (nearly six) is allowed one episode of something suitable after school, and in the weekends after his swimming lessons something longer. I suspect we've lucked out with him in this regard though. He's currently rewatching Netflix' Hilda (which is really excellent, but typically for children maybe two years older), and he is simply engrossed. It's a struggle t…

Try and dig a bit outside netflix; there are plenty of excellent old Dutch (or failing that, German) children's shows.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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When I taught a class of engineering students Python in 2015 they were all copying from each other, did some basic plagiarism checks and 40% had submitted identical code. The University then didn’t care, lots of international students paying higher fees than domestic students.

If you consider that plagiarism it's a bit overzealous. Definitely not in the same league as asking chatgpt to solve for you. Working with or seeking information from colleagues is a valid and essential part of university.

It is plagiarism, we’re not talking simple weekly assignment, it was a core course and it was a 40% of the module. They had to write a report along with it and two Chinese students had copied much of that from Wikipedia and had the same exact passages!

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Yeah agreed. Really a ton of kids with tablets everytime I go out for dinner

Restaurants is a few places where a tablet is a godsend. Children aren't always involved in adults conversations, so they get (obviously) bored at the table. A tablet guarantees some time off to the parents. Now obviously is a problem if you go to the restaurant often, in our case it's once every few months and having them watching a movie makes going to the restaurant possible again (we waited 6 years before we coul…

Don't want to start a flame but what is missing to the children is exactly being bored.

We used to bring paper and pen to have them draw.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Restaurants is a few places where a tablet is a godsend. Children aren't always involved in adults conversations, so they get (obviously) bored at the table. A tablet guarantees some time off to the parents. Now obviously is a problem if you go to the restaurant often, in our case it's once every few months and having them watching a movie makes going to the restaurant possible again (we waited 6 years before we coul…

Don't want to start a flame but what is missing to the children is exactly being bored. We used to bring paper and pen to have them draw.

That's totally fine. My children get plenty of boring time, sometimes they get creative, sometimes they do not.

When they are creative, their creation is not always compatible with the environment (too noisy, too active). Not all children like drawing either. Tablet is consistent, which is helpful when going to a restaurant.

Just to be clear, I use tablet only as a tv, I don't allow any games, too many exploits child's mind.

If I went more often to the restaurant, it would make sense to have different activities though, you are right. We go maybe once every 2-3 months, so the tablet was acceptable. It has become way too expensive eating out.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Who knew it was this easy? Thank you, citizen.

Unironically is it that hard? I managed to not impregnate anyone until I met my wife in my 30s. Likewise for her. Likewise for many of my friends. Getting unintentionally pregnant is not a common event in my circles. You apply basic biology knowledge and protection and if all else fails there are multiple ways to “fix” the issue before it gets to the point where a baby is born.

> Getting unintentionally pregnant is not a common event in my circles.

Bingo^, especially the “in my circles.” The catch of course is that people have little to zero control over which circles they’re born and raised into, thus creating a vicious cycle.

Good job avoiding a bad outcome, but in the same way it was easy for you due to the circles you arrived on earth in, it’s hard for others due to the circles they arrived on earth in.

This is all true even with high degree of agency. Taking two people with the same degree of agency, one born into or closer to certain norms will have an easier time than one born outside of or further away from those norms.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Yeah agreed. Really a ton of kids with tablets everytime I go out for dinner

Restaurants is a few places where a tablet is a godsend. Children aren't always involved in adults conversations, so they get (obviously) bored at the table. A tablet guarantees some time off to the parents. Now obviously is a problem if you go to the restaurant often, in our case it's once every few months and having them watching a movie makes going to the restaurant possible again (we waited 6 years before we coul…

>Restaurants is a few places where a tablet is a godsend. Children aren't always involved in adults conversations, so they get (obviously) bored at the table. A tablet guarantees some time off to the parents.

as a fellow restaurant patron : I don't care that your kid is bored or if you can't afford a baby-sitter -- what I do care about is listening to the latest baby shark or whatever other youtube-brainrot-babysitter-program blaring near me while I'm trying to eat my linguini.

When I was younger if you brought a loud/obnoxious kid to dinner at a restaurant it was a sign that either you were inexperienced as parents or too poor to afford a baby-sitter (which then raises questions about eating out..), or otherwise didn't give a fuck about appearances or anyone else near you.

Also : not all kids are bored by what adults are doing, and a big part of getting good at those kind of conversations and 'adult actions' later in life is fueled by social mimicry and third party practice; to dismiss all children from such activities by directing their attention towards whatever the closest thing that minimizes parenting time and effort is , imo, likely damaging.

But, at the end of the day I gotta throw my arms up and say "Well, i'm not a parent." -- but it just seems obvious to me as a bystander that this level of forced autonomy and independence for smaller children reduces any chance that a kid will say "Mom, what does that word you just used mean?" and actually learn something from a novel experience. It reduces the amount the kids will read the faces of strangers and make social decisions. It reduces the chance that a kid will make a social faux pas slip and require corrections preventing it in the future.

It does, however, keep a kid busy , often annoying everyone else, while you gossip. I'm not sure that's supposed to be the end goal here.

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