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Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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ChatGPT is free without the need for a credit card. Age restrictions don't actually stop kids from making accounts.

"The shit version of chatgpt is free" Fixed that for you. And it will get shittier as investment dries up and the pressure to monetize increases.

ChatGPT Free uses full 4o since half a year. Rate limited of course but the limits are relatvitely high for free users.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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> Parents that believe it is solely the school/teacher's job to educate their child. My sister works with kids on their speech at a school and she's said that it's _bad_ how many children can't read or tell you what letter their first name starts with. She says that the teachers are getting flack at parent-teacher meetings because of this, but those are things that their parents teach them! I thought the "kids are il…

Decline of the stay at home mom. Both parents tired from work means less quality attention, less consistent meals, etc..

My wife made very good money. She still quit her job to be a stay at home mom. Being a good parent to multiple children and taking care of yourself is pretty much impossible if both parents are working. Not every family can go single income but I think more could (and should) than do.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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I think one thing few are willing to admit is that a large blame for this can be placed on disinterested parents. Parents that believe it is solely the school/teacher's job to educate their child. When kids are at home, parents should be involved in the learning process. You don't have to be a helicopter and monitor everything, but you should take interest in the work your child is doing. If you check in at least onc…

// a large blame for this can be placed on disinterested parents // Is this really something to which we need to attribute blame? I mean, after I learned how to program, I never again sat down and did 100 computations by hand. But I never felt a need to feel culpable or blame my parents. LLMs happened. They are not going away. There is not an employer on the planet who would prefer their employees to do 1/10th the wo…

> who would prefer their employees to do 1/10th the work by hand, vs. 10x the work using LLMs.

What if instead of these fantasy gains you won't be able to do any meaningful work since you can't count to 10 and just ask LLMs without any ability to tell whether the result is correct?

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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I think one thing few are willing to admit is that a large blame for this can be placed on disinterested parents. Parents that believe it is solely the school/teacher's job to educate their child. When kids are at home, parents should be involved in the learning process. You don't have to be a helicopter and monitor everything, but you should take interest in the work your child is doing. If you check in at least onc…

> it is solely the school/teacher's job to educate their child.

Parents are not teachers and teachers are not parents

I do not teach my kids math, even though I could, it's their duty to learn at school and it's their teachers' job to teach them.

OTOH, I don’t expect them to learn proper table manners or public behavior from their school teachers.

EDIT: grammar

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Who knew it was this easy? Thank you, citizen.

Unironically is it that hard? I managed to not impregnate anyone until I met my wife in my 30s. Likewise for her. Likewise for many of my friends. Getting unintentionally pregnant is not a common event in my circles. You apply basic biology knowledge and protection and if all else fails there are multiple ways to “fix” the issue before it gets to the point where a baby is born.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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This is good. I've never understood the value of watching a live lecture without interactivity. You might as well watch a video. It works on multiple levels: it mitigates the cheating, but also takes advantage of the vast array of learning options available to replace the traditional lecture. I cringe at the "small group" suggestion, although I acknowledge it's probably good to learn to coordinate with others. Rarely…

> I've never understood the value of watching a live lecture without interactivity. Because you're rarely just watching. It isn't a movie, you are supposed to ask questions. Similarly, the lecturer will ask the audience questions to gauge their understanding and tweak the lecture on-the-fly. There's also a huge value in interacting with classmates after the lecture, allowing you to discuss and refine your understandi…

The video lecturer might just as well ask some question and unlike the theater of the real one, get a response from every single viewer instead of getting a "gauge". And I don't know what mythical school most students spend the few minutes break getting huge value "discussing and refining" (which, by the way, could also be arranged with an alternative)

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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post #232

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> Parents that believe it is solely the school/teacher's job to educate their child. My sister works with kids on their speech at a school and she's said that it's _bad_ how many children can't read or tell you what letter their first name starts with. She says that the teachers are getting flack at parent-teacher meetings because of this, but those are things that their parents teach them! I thought the "kids are il…

I'm rising 3 kids (in France, I don't know if it changes much). We have banned TV, very heavily restricted phones, and we closely follow homework. I'm persuaded it makes a difference wrt parents that don't do that, but somehow isn't a sure fire way of being a "great parent".

kids should be kids and do what other kids are doing, even if it's watching TV or playing video games, unless it’s something truly harmful.

watching TV hasn't killed anyone and my generation, who grew up in front of the TV screen for lack of better alternatives, turned out just fine.

The real issue now is with my parents’ generation, but that’s because they’re old and their mindset has become immutable, not because they watched too much TV.

TV tends to reinforce existing biases rather than create new ones.

IMO your kids will grow up thinking that TV is bad, and while it's mostly true that 'the medium is the message', they’re missing out on the opportunity to learn how to deal with it. It’s like a vaccine — it helps them build resilience.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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post #445

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Who knew it was this easy? Thank you, citizen.

Unironically is it that hard? I managed to not impregnate anyone until I met my wife in my 30s. Likewise for her. Likewise for many of my friends. Getting unintentionally pregnant is not a common event in my circles. You apply basic biology knowledge and protection and if all else fails there are multiple ways to “fix” the issue before it gets to the point where a baby is born.

Enjoying that 30,000ft high horse?

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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post #324

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// a large blame for this can be placed on disinterested parents // Is this really something to which we need to attribute blame? I mean, after I learned how to program, I never again sat down and did 100 computations by hand. But I never felt a need to feel culpable or blame my parents. LLMs happened. They are not going away. There is not an employer on the planet who would prefer their employees to do 1/10th the wo…

> who would prefer their employees to do 1/10th the work by hand, vs. 10x the work using LLMs. What if instead of these fantasy gains you won't be able to do any meaningful work since you can't count to 10 and just ask LLMs without any ability to tell whether the result is correct?

I don't expect LLM hallucinations to be a long-term problem.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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post #324

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// a large blame for this can be placed on disinterested parents // Is this really something to which we need to attribute blame? I mean, after I learned how to program, I never again sat down and did 100 computations by hand. But I never felt a need to feel culpable or blame my parents. LLMs happened. They are not going away. There is not an employer on the planet who would prefer their employees to do 1/10th the wo…

Bread machines exist. They produce acceptable bread. Do you train a good baker by giving them a bread machine? Can you even be a good baker if the only bread you've ever eaten is white loaves from a bread machine? LLM are a tool that has to be guided by human experience. It's really hard to do that if you don't have experience outside LLMs.

Do you train a good copy typist by giving them a xerox copy machine? Can you even be a good copy typist if the only documents you've ever copied is from a xerox machine?

No and nobody cares because copy typists don't exist any more.

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