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Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by magimas »

beardedmoose wrote: post #255
bilsbie wrote: post #223

I have this problem too! I wrote up this system prompt I want to set on my daughters account. You’re welcome to try using it and let me know it goes. (When I made a new chatgpt account for her it wouldn’t load. I need to try to set it up again) Prompt: This is my 9th graders account. She has been trying to avoid learning or even thinking by copy and pasting homework and quiz questions into chatgpt and not even readin…

Hell, I’d argue a similar prompt could be useful for a lot of people. I use something similar for coding and ask it not to provide direct code and more a guide on coding principals with source links if possible.

one of the more important ones in my opinion would be a prompt to make ChatGPT much less agreeable. Unless explicitly asked for, it never really challenges your observations and will just keep being supportive and telling you how well of an argument you're making.

I fear this will push even more people into deep rabbit holes they won't be able to get out of because they think this neutral AI has confirmed their suspicions/ideas/observations.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by s1artibartfast »

taylodl wrote: post #113
Ekaros wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is absolutely amazing just how long some people can "fake" it. Even in jobs that you would expect needing real expertise say being a medical doctor. And corporation can be even simpler if you get in right types of roles, where no hard skills might be needed.

AI is "faking" it when you think about it. If a machine can "fake" skills and expertise, and we can measure its ability to fake it using the Turing Test, then why can't people fake it, too?

People may be able to fake it, but the opportunity to do so may go away.

An idiot may be able to fake being a medical doctor with the right AI, but only until someone realizes they can fire the useless human.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by casey2 »

moduspwnens14 wrote: post #15
clejack wrote: post #12

There's some grim humor in the fact that the poster reflects on his sister's use of chatgpt, and just ends on that point. I have to wonder if he decided to talk to her or his parents about the situation. I didn't see anything in the post to suggest it, just a "this next generation is cooked." Who cooked them is the question? Children won't raise themselves generally.

My daughter is only 1 and a half years old now, but my concern is more that she'll be implicitly competing with classmates that are using tools like this, whether we allow her to use them or not.

There is no royal road to geometry.

To me it sounds like you are worried more about the competition for resources than giving your daughter an education.

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Post by timeon »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #52
Carrok wrote: post #8

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Or just do everything in class. Out of class work should go away entirely.

But then how will kids learn to use ChatGPT?

There is not much special to learn if you already know how to write and think.

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Post by rcxdude »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #272
htrp wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one cares about your gpa after 2 years of experience. All they will see is Harvard or BU

Who mentioned ‘gpa’?

how else did you intend percentile to be inferred in your comment?

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Post by jjk7 »

dmos62 wrote: post #243

The kid doesn't care at all about the problems she's asked to solve. I considered that normal until recently. Now I'm increasingly surprised that no one bats an eye that we're forcing kids to learn. Naturally that has little success. I heard someone say "adapt the lesson to the student's excitement, not the excitement to the lesson". I think that's a foundation for something wholesome, though, admittedly, I struggle…

People screaming on YouTube is infinitely more exciting than basic math to these kids.

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Post by Freak_NL »

thijson wrote: post #150
Freak_NL wrote: post #70

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> […] coma inducing toddler videos […] Otherwise known as CocoMelon.

My five year old son was watching Lankybox, that stuff is mindnumbing. I tried to control what he's able to watch, but next thing I know he's watching it again. I ended up removing Youtube, relying on PBS Kids. He protested though, PBS Kids is long format shows, and that's not stimulating enough for him.

I hope you'll manage to turn that around. My five year old (nearly six) is allowed one episode of something suitable after school, and in the weekends after his swimming lessons something longer. I suspect we've lucked out with him in this regard though. He's currently rewatching Netflix' Hilda (which is really excellent, but typically for children maybe two years older), and he is simply engrossed. It's a struggle to find something new though (especially in a quality Dutch dubbing).

We did try YouTube when he was three/four though, but quickly reduced that to hand-picked videos and selected shows on Netflix. The amount of soul-sucking crap on YouTube… Even the 3D CGI Fireman Sam series is preferable.

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Post by matwood »

runjake wrote: post #215
matwood wrote: post #208

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If an LLM can answer the HW questions so easily, then maybe it's an issue with the HW and not the LLM/student.

Why's that?

The student is growing up in a world of technology. How can the homework be designed leveraging LLMs? Can some curriculums be accelerated assuming LLMs provide a new base? What is the goal of teaching? Memorizing formulas or learning to think? Do students gain any value writing a book report or is there more value writing an essay about how a book relates to a students personal story?

Anything that is formulaic in nature will likely end up automated. We should be teaching people to both leverage that fact and think creatively, even at 11 years old.

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Post by satvikpendem »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #141
actionfromafar wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you figure that? Isn't Harvard very much about the network of contacts?

‘The network of contacts’ isn’t some automatic mechanism that by default joins everyone in a class…? By definition to join a network they need to be accepted by their class peers.

The network is not (only) your graduating peers, it's primarily the alumni. If you see a job you want and the hiring manager also went to Harvard, they will have a more favorable opinion of you. You may ask how this is any different from any other college, but, due to prior network effects, the prior Harvard graduates themselves are more likely to be in higher positions of power. Prestige begets prestige, in a way that lower universities do not.
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