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Reminder, you win by learning the material, not by completing the homework.
For "personal growth" contexts, yes. For "valedictorian and GPA for college" sort of contexts, no.
I haven't understood the GGP's point of view until your comment. Those kids are competing by grade, not by knowledge!
This is messed up to a different level than a lot of people here will expect.
When I was in elementary school, my teachers told me it was very important to memorize multiplication tables because I wouldn't always have a calculator in my pocket. We know how that turned out. I asked an LLM the first example question (convert 3 minutes to seconds), and it provided not just the answer, but that there are 60 seconds per minutes, so that's 3 * 60 = 180. I don't think an 11 year old is harmed by that…
for example instead of multiplying 47*30 one can multiply 50*30 and subtract 3*30
the real benefit is the mathematical muscle gained while doing the memorization and identifying patterns.
same reason people are running treadmill not to get to the destination point, and despite having cars which are faster than running
(When I made a new chatgpt account for her it wouldn’t load. I need to try to set it up again)
Prompt:
This is my 9th graders account. She has been trying to avoid learning or even thinking by copy and pasting homework and quiz questions into chatgpt and not even reading the answers.
I’m very concerned she’s not learning or preparing for life. IMPORTANT: please don’t provide any complete answers. Instead only guide her toward understanding in a way that engages her. Also point out how the subject matter is useful and interesting to her life.
She is interested in figure skating, politics, making money, driving, interior design, pets especially small mammals. If you can tie the subject matter into these sometimes it might make it more engaging.
In the long term I’d like her to build up a growth mindset and gain confidence regarding her intelligence and ability to learn.
I think one thing few are willing to admit is that a large blame for this can be placed on disinterested parents. Parents that believe it is solely the school/teacher's job to educate their child. When kids are at home, parents should be involved in the learning process. You don't have to be a helicopter and monitor everything, but you should take interest in the work your child is doing. If you check in at least onc…
Waiting for those people who post the "how do you use LLMS for X" questions on HN to come here and explain how this is a good thing.
Would you be upset if in the 70s you found out your sister was using a calculator to check her math homework?
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I think it's a great idea that the delivery of the material is done by video, and then the engagement with it, the exercises etc., are done with a teacher. That flipping strikes me as sensible.
Knowing that the vast majority of parents will not check or enforce school work at home, either because they don't care or can't (2 jobs etc) ... You have to choose which one actually happens. That seems to me to be the lecture. Additionally teachers are very opposed to doing extra work (this seems to be a Gen-Z thing: even with doctors you see this, there was an article about doctors refusing to do emergency rooms s…
This phenomenon did not involve Gen Z, it involved all generations, and was multifactorial in nature. It also gets complicated by health center where physicians and nurses can see inequities in how these +1 shifts and responsibilities emerge, get distributed, and get compensated.
I'm close to someone who teaches at a university, and they're making heavy use of in-room essays written in blue books. This ensures that the work is purely the students, but I think it also has the side-effect that the grader is also working manually. I kinda think maybe at earlier levels, most homework should be moved into the classroom and done on paper anyway? What's the point of homework if they're not going to…
If we flipped the lecture/homework system upside down it would first solve some of the major issues with how we deliver education, but as a side effect prevent the appearance of doing the work while really it's just the student mindlessly copying prompts and responses. Assign the material for outside the classroom. Use the in-person contact time to work through the problems, with a mix of small group, pairing and men…
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The problem is tests/quizzes and especially standardized ones. They have never been good teaching tools, and teachers have been railroaded into using them because they provide a blunt way to measure outcomes at a population level. But real teaching is 1:1 and teachers have a lot of power, it's just stuff that doesn't scale and you can't mandate organizationally. But this has mostly always been the case. Trying to mea…
Tests/quizzes are good teaching tools. Students learn more effectively when they are frequently tested on the material. https://www.hubermanlab.com/episode/optimal-protocols-for-st...
I’m not doubting your claim but I don’t have time to listen to that podcast and I’m interested in what was said since you did.
Older people are shocked that young people can't do long division, or easily add a column of numbers mentally.
I'm not saying LLMs won't negatively influence the next generation, but the next generation has always been the first to use and abuse new technology and we are all still alive and (most) bridges and airplanes stay up and maybe we will even put people on the moon again some day.