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Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by adverbly »

3vidence wrote: post #568
adverbly wrote: post #472

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Ding ding ding! Yes! I find it interesting that the Federal government is getting the majority of the blame for these issues when in reality I feel like provinces should be at fault. Not to say that the federal government is without blame, but I feel like given the current state of healthcare in many provinces, as well as the housing s** show, provincial governments should be primarily held at fault. Zoning/housing,…

Seems odd though that despite these issues being provincial that every province is seemingly struggling with these issues... Almost like there is a larger macroeconomic force at play.

> larger macroeconomic force

Ding ding ding!

Demographics my friend. Somehow what should have been the most predictable thing ever (that people get old over time, changing the age profile of the country), has somehow created issues that are coming as a complete surprise to the government... Healthcare underfunded because people are getting old. Tertiary education overattended leading to a skills mismatch. A large cohort of baby boomers who consistently push for NIMBY style policies because they spent so much on their house that their retirement depends on it...

Policies should be proactive in these fields rather than reactive. I'm of the opinion that many countries /regions struggling with these issues have largely done it to themselves by lack of foresight.

I'm hopeful that it will improve in the future though. Pretty much only able to go up from here! Let's go land value tax!!!

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by msie »

csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

Well, I'm disappointed in Patio11 now. I sort of looked-up at him.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by Manuel_D »

throw0101d wrote: post #374
parthdesai wrote: post #298

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> flip the sides, i.e. you've a conservative government and a liberal protesting organization, and I'll wait to see your reaction. You mean like what the pro-Palestinian folks did at UofT (not far from where I work) in 2024 and who lost a court case (2024 ONSC 3755)? I was fine it. Was also fine with the 'Occupy Toronto' folks losing their court case: 2011 ONSC 6862. And as it stands, I live in Toronto, Canada, which…

> You mean like what the pro-Palestinian folks did at UofT (not far from where I work) in 2024 and who lost a court case (2024 ONSC 3755)? I was fine it.

How many of the UofT protestors were de-banked? There's a vast difference between having tents removed from a public space, and being cut off from essential parts of modern life. You can't pay insurance with cash. You can't have a regular phone contract. You may not even be able to have home internet. Someone who is debanked effectively becomes a different caste of person, one who is prohibited from most institutions and services.

You're comparing apples to oranges by comparing the treatment of the trucker protests and the campus occupiers.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by bamboozled »

rossdavidh wrote: post #616
reverendsteveii wrote: post #539

Is it me or does it seem like the internet era has taken away incumbent advantage and actually put incumbents at a massive disadvantage? I'm not here to attack or defend what Trudeau has actually done, only to posit the idea that once you become a leader in the political landscape there is a very effective machine whose only job is to attack you, personally, as much as possible anywhere you're perceived to be vulnera…

It's an interesting theory, but there are other hypotheses out there. One I've heard a lot is that the post-pandemic inflation surge hit everyone, and made all incumbents unpopular. I suppose that if the anti-incumbent results across the globe continue for several more years, we will be able to rule that out?

It's also easier to lie about what the current government has done wrong, there are no laws against it.

You can just lie at a velocity never seen before on this planet, spread falsehoods via social media, breed outrage, spread conspiracies and then elected.

It's disgusting.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by busterarm »

dang wrote: post #598
busterarm wrote: post #113

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Flamebait like this will get you banned here, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. No more of this, please—it just leads to predictable, tedious internet hell. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42612168 . Edit: we've had to warn you about this kind of thing for years: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32890469 (Sept 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30334539…

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by tsunamifury »

AlexandrB wrote: post #745
tsunamifury wrote: post #738

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Its interesting how as of late the working-class's totally self-sabatoging ways of protesting almost universally piss off their fellow men and women, rather than taking their grievances to the powers that support them.

All of the protests I see lately, besides strikes, are college students. Which working class protests are you thinking of?

basic hotel strikes around SF are focused on bullying customers

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Post by [deleted] »

JellyBeanThief wrote: post #748
clwg wrote: post #723

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Perhaps bad phrasing, it is an emotional issue having lived through it. I like to think that I don't live in a country ruled by a King but rather in a community of citizens who have collectively agreed on a way of doing things. This includes the right to express dissent against other citizens to whom we have delegated certain decision-making responsibilities. A permit isn't about seeking permission; it's about ensuri…

> A permit isn't about seeking permission Then they need to be renamed.

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Post by Dalewyn »

clwg wrote: post #723
selfmodruntime wrote: post #714

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> I hesitate to call them protesters because I don't think they had a permit The notion that the common people need permission to protest is exactly why we are slowly, but surely arriving at oligarchies. The French are right. You don't need permission to show the ruling class who's king.

Perhaps bad phrasing, it is an emotional issue having lived through it. I like to think that I don't live in a country ruled by a King but rather in a community of citizens who have collectively agreed on a way of doing things. This includes the right to express dissent against other citizens to whom we have delegated certain decision-making responsibilities. A permit isn't about seeking permission; it's about ensuri…

>I like to think that I don't live in a country ruled by a King

Canada is ruled by the British king/queen, even if only symbolically.

>A permit isn't about seeking permission

A permit is permission in granted form. Perhaps you meant something else, it's a poor choice of words.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by energy123 »

joshl32532 wrote: post #726
amarka wrote: post #547

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I can’t believe Justin Trudeau would lowball your friend like that.

In this case, it's definitely Trudeau's administration fault by flooding the Canadian job market with immigrants, which lowers job compensation and increasing housing cost.

Lump of labor fallacy. The pie is not fixed.
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