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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by selfmodruntime »

mlekoszek wrote: post #664
itsoktocry wrote: post #654

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Declaring the Emergency acts was overwhelmingly popular in Canada and remains one of the most popular things Trudeau ever did. Where on earth does this stat come from?

It's definitely not 'overwhelmingly popular,' but polling shows majority support (66%) from Canadians for use of the Emergencies Act at the time of the protest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergencies_Act#Opinion_pollin...

Upon digging, Wikipedia most prominently cites secondary sources here. The first of which is linked to a group called "Maru Group", whose website is dysfunctional. They are owned by Stagwell Marketing, whose CEO, Mark Penn, is directly linked to the US and Canadian Government, and more specifically to companies which were directly hurt by the trucking protest. Maru Group's sampling is tiny, they asked only 1500 people and they give no information on how they gathered this data.

Better polls have the numbers of people supporting this measure somewhere around 50%.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by VerminOctopus1 »

RONROC wrote: post #644
interestica wrote: post #253

He has not (yet) resigned. He has announced his intention to resign. He will step down when a new leader is selected via the internal Liberal leadership race. Additionally, Parliament is prorogued until March 24 via his request of the Governor-General. “Trudeau to resign as prime minister after Liberal leadership race” https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-news-conference-1.7...

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by clwg »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #714
clwg wrote: post #656

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I live in Ottawa. We were failed by all levels of government, our police services, and our intelligence services. The convoy drove across the country, broadcasting their intentions on social media. Yet, everyone acted shocked when they did exactly what they said they were going to do. I hesitate to call them protesters because I don't think they had a permit or a cohesive message beside F* Trudeau, but they were comp…

> I hesitate to call them protesters because I don't think they had a permit The notion that the common people need permission to protest is exactly why we are slowly, but surely arriving at oligarchies. The French are right. You don't need permission to show the ruling class who's king.

Perhaps bad phrasing, it is an emotional issue having lived through it.

I like to think that I don't live in a country ruled by a King but rather in a community of citizens who have collectively agreed on a way of doing things. This includes the right to express dissent against other citizens to whom we have delegated certain decision-making responsibilities. A permit isn't about seeking permission; it's about ensuring an orderly process so that things don't devolve into chaos and bouncy castles.

At the time, I think we were also in stage 2 lockdown(which should have been enough to stop it), so the people bearing the brunt of these actions, whatever you want to label it as, were not the ones making those decisions. Our elected officials don't live inside Parliament Hill.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by selfmodruntime »

roenxi wrote: post #537
throw0101d wrote: post #424

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> And the court of law later determined […] And an Act -mandated commission said it was warranted: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Order_Emergency_Commiss...

On April 25, 2022, Prime Minister Trudeau selected Rouleau to be the commissioner of the Public Order Emergency Commission inquiry into the invocation of the Emergencies Act, which had occurred in response to the 2022 Canada convoy protest. ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rouleau That is one step removed from Trudeau investigating himself, we're not talking the gold standard of systemic independence here.

Each political side loves laws like this until the other side gets in power.

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Post by mlekoszek »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #721
mlekoszek wrote: post #664

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely not 'overwhelmingly popular,' but polling shows majority support (66%) from Canadians for use of the Emergencies Act at the time of the protest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergencies_Act#Opinion_pollin...

Upon digging, Wikipedia most prominently cites secondary sources here. The first of which is linked to a group called "Maru Group", whose website is dysfunctional. They are owned by Stagwell Marketing, whose CEO, Mark Penn, is directly linked to the US and Canadian Government, and more specifically to companies which were directly hurt by the trucking protest. Maru Group's sampling is tiny, they asked only 1500 peopl…

That's really great work, thanks -- could you share a link to the 50% polls? This is probably worth porting back to the Wikipedia page to set the record straight.

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Post by joshl32532 »

amarka wrote: post #547
dfdx wrote: post #526

A friend of mine recently finished his engineering PhD at the University of Toronto. He received employment offers from an American firm and a Canadian firm. The Canadian firm offered a total compensation package worth 80,000 CAD (~55,000 USD); the American firm offered him nearly 275,000 USD.

I can’t believe Justin Trudeau would lowball your friend like that.

In this case, it's definitely Trudeau's administration fault by flooding the Canadian job market with immigrants, which lowers job compensation and increasing housing cost.

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Post by cwillu »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #575
syndicatedjelly wrote: post #324

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The goal isn't to learn, it's to be entertained

the goal isn't even to entertain. It is to spend time on a page. It doesn't matter if you are frustrated, angry, or confused. just keep scrolling

The CBC doesn't have remotely the same pressure to expose eyeballs to advertising.

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Post by curmudgeon22 »

catgary wrote: post #93
csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating the…

I don't think it was overwhelmingly popular - nor was it overwhelmingly unpopular. It was both in certain groups.

I agree a police response or similar was sensible for the situations you mentioned, but they didn't rise to the level of national emergency.

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Post by guiomie »

leptons wrote: post #556
BeefWellington wrote: post #529

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This isn't true. At the time the US required proof of vaccination at the border too: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-vaccine-mandate-frei... This was implemented in October 2021 and wasn't removed AFAIK until May of 2023: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases...

How are Canadians occupying Canadian cities supposed to lift US restrictions ? They can't, that's how. Again, it's stupidity, ignorance, and probably some propaganda/misinformation that spurred them on.

"How are Canadians occupying Canadian cities supposed to lift US restrictions?:"

They can protest (which they did) and Justin Trudeau could have picked up the phone and call Biden and ask to remove the restriction, which at that time of the pandemic was completely useless. Instead, Justin Trudeau played politics, he figured it was much better for him to divide the population on the issue than actually work with its biggest trade partner to remove the restriction.

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Post by joshl32532 »

reverendsteveii wrote: post #539

Is it me or does it seem like the internet era has taken away incumbent advantage and actually put incumbents at a massive disadvantage? I'm not here to attack or defend what Trudeau has actually done, only to posit the idea that once you become a leader in the political landscape there is a very effective machine whose only job is to attack you, personally, as much as possible anywhere you're perceived to be vulnera…

It works both ways.

When Trudeau first took office, he was the meme of being Canada's young and handsome PM, and he enjoyed a good few years of "honeymoon" period that many leaders can only wish for.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=2015+justin+trudeau+handsome&df=20...

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