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Post by bawolff »

Cumpiler69 wrote: post #83
mass_and_energy wrote: post #75

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YSK that the people who had their accounts frozen weren't simply protesting in Ottawa; they were blocking international borders to our largest trading partner, effectively holding our economy hostage. This absolutely constitutes behavior that's a danger to our nation so it makes sense to freeze the accounts of the people doing it. To be clear, there were many attempts to settle this without freezing people's bank acc…

>but when nothing else works sometimes you have to get out the big guns. Isn't that why you have the police, army, etc? You use force to remove those people breaking the laws, not go after their families. That's some USSR shit.

> Isn't that why you have the police, army, etc? You use force to remove those people breaking the laws, not go after their families. That's some USSR shit.

Nobody went after anyone's family.

If you solicit donations to fund a criminal act, you lose access to the money you raise. This is a thing that happens in normal crime too. Its not just an emergency act thing.

People forget that many of the protestors who lost banking access wasn't due to the emergency act, but because one pissed off ottawa resident sued them in civil court and obtained a court order to that affect.

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

Pet_Ant wrote: post #621
reverendsteveii wrote: post #539

Is it me or does it seem like the internet era has taken away incumbent advantage and actually put incumbents at a massive disadvantage? I'm not here to attack or defend what Trudeau has actually done, only to posit the idea that once you become a leader in the political landscape there is a very effective machine whose only job is to attack you, personally, as much as possible anywhere you're perceived to be vulnera…

I assume "tan suit" is referring to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_tan_suit_controve... I follow US politics regularly, but I hadn't heard of this so I don't know how well it's known... but it has it's own page so maybe I'm in the minority here.

Might depend on your age? Were you politically active in the Obama period? Even as a Canadian I heard about this.

That and his choice of mustard, and other things. The "Thanks, Obama!" ads, and so on

Unfortunately the bitter partisan divide really amped up in that period, and we're living with the fallout still.

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Post by dang »

cempaka wrote: post #460
throw0101d wrote: post #374

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> flip the sides, i.e. you've a conservative government and a liberal protesting organization, and I'll wait to see your reaction. You mean like what the pro-Palestinian folks did at UofT (not far from where I work) in 2024 and who lost a court case (2024 ONSC 3755)? I was fine it. Was also fine with the 'Occupy Toronto' folks losing their court case: 2011 ONSC 6862. And as it stands, I live in Toronto, Canada, which…

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Post by mlekoszek »

itsoktocry wrote: post #660
b112 wrote: post #658

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I don't know, but I live in the NCR, and few I know thought it was right. The real issue was the Ottawa police. The RCMP and OPP were willing to help, and use legal means to clear the blockade. The Ottawa Police dropped the ball, didn't organize, and just made a mess.

I'm sure people directly affected agree with you, but it's been downhill for this regime since the trucker protest. We are literally still talking about it, right now. I cannot comprehend how it could be overwhelmingly supported.

To be honest, I can't shake the suspicion that a fair share of the talking is not homegrown.

> Facebook stated that they had removed fake users that were set up in overseas content farms, in Romania, Vietnam, and Bangladesh, which were promoting the convoy protests in Canada. (https://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-congress-asks-facebook-role-2258...)

> An Economist/YouGov poll conducted from February 12 to 15 found that 80% of Americans had heard of the convoy protests. [...] Among Republicans, 71 per cent supported the convoy protests, compared to 18 per cent of Democrats. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_convoy_protest#Opinion_...)

When you consider how much attention the convoy got in America, and how sympathies fell on such partisan grounds, it gets more concerning. Suddenly, Canadian politics is a hunting ground for the likes of Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, online bot mobs... I think you see where I’m going.

It’s difficult to approach these discussions and not feel like bad-faith actors are artificially making a bugbear out of it. This is especially true when many of the loudest defenders of the convoy weren’t even there, aren't even Canadian, and -- three years later -- may not even be people.

That said, I can agree the Emergencies Act probably shouldn't have been used here, and I have question marks about freezing people's bank accounts -- but this is really a conversation actual Canadians should be owning, since it concerns us most directly.

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

rossdavidh wrote: post #616
reverendsteveii wrote: post #539

Is it me or does it seem like the internet era has taken away incumbent advantage and actually put incumbents at a massive disadvantage? I'm not here to attack or defend what Trudeau has actually done, only to posit the idea that once you become a leader in the political landscape there is a very effective machine whose only job is to attack you, personally, as much as possible anywhere you're perceived to be vulnera…

It's an interesting theory, but there are other hypotheses out there. One I've heard a lot is that the post-pandemic inflation surge hit everyone, and made all incumbents unpopular. I suppose that if the anti-incumbent results across the globe continue for several more years, we will be able to rule that out?

Inflation, distrust of authorities after COVID, deliberate (and automated) spread of disinformation, outright war in Europe, climate change becoming increasingly obvious with nobody doing anything about it (but people very angry any time somebody attempts to do something about it... etc)

It's not a fun time, and I'd hate to be "in charge"

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marketerinland wrote: post #456
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Post by throwaway12912 »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #477
csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

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There were four people with Nazi flags in the beginning who disappeared almost instantly. A classic way of discrediting a protest. (A real Nazi however received a warm reception in the Canadian parliament: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66943005)

No one had a pro-Putin sign? Why would they? At that time Putin was sitting at 20m long tables, which should have pleased Fauci himself. Putin was "following the science"!

I'm really opposed to this classic way of mixing an imaginary "far right" with Putin as if they do not have their own grievances.

You are right about the honking, which should have been dealt with more quickly but stopped after an injunction after a couple of days.

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Post by bawolff »

tlss wrote: post #487
adamc wrote: post #306

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Not a Canadian, but no, a protest protests and gives voice to the disagreement. Blocking other people's rights is not just a protest and is likely to trigger action to protect others. That's how it goes everywhere that has rights. Normally, some effort is made to do it peacefully, but there are no countries where you can halt the economy whenever you want to force people to negotiate with you.

I mean, this is the French way. SNCF striking (a yearly occurrence) is arguably halting the economy each time it happens. As a sympathizer to the HK protests, I've heard all these talking points before -- that the protesters are ruining the economy and making things miserable for everyone. Usually the protests can really only get so big when there is a shared grievance that keeps getting ignored by the administration…

I think a better comparison would be the jan 6 protests in usa in 2021.

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Post by likeabatterycar »

nsavage wrote: post #209
csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

I live in Ottawa and lived here during the convoy. Happy to answer any questions as an actual resident from anyone about my experience.

What is your opinion of Kraft Dinner?

Is KD unhealthy slop or delicious, and how do you feel about adding hot dogs or other toppings?

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