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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by SpecialistK »

mlekoszek wrote: post #311
tokioyoyo wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not being a part of the states is our national identity. It’s just very fringe minority who dabbles with the idea of joining the USA.

I think the Overton window has become much easier to slide around with social media influence campaigns. If someone powerful wants something -- even if it's against everyone else's interests -- it's now much easier for them to drum up popular support for it through underhanded tactics. Remember that Brexit started as a joke.

"Remember that Brexit started as a joke."

Did it? Stickers or posters saying "keep our Pound!" were common on bus stops and street lights as a kid in the Home Counties in the 90s. Newspapers ran (mostly untrue) stories about market fruit stands needing to sell bananas by the KG rather than by the lb. Both the Tories and Labour had Euroskeptic wings since the 1970s.

Rightly or wrongly, the undercurrent of Brexit was there from the start of the EU and ebbed or flowed based on events of the day.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by cynicalpeace »

digging wrote: post #282
jyscao wrote: post #114

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One could endlessly go on about the economy/COL, immigration, crumbling healthcare, housing crisis, far-left ideology going mainstream, etc. But I could frame it much simpler than that - Canada, at least in cities of modest sizes and up, is rapidly transitioning from a high-trust to a low-trust society. An anecdote: my sister is more than 10 years younger than me, she's currently attending the same university as I di…

> One could endlessly go on... Yet, apparently one will instead sidestep the discussion entirely. Frankly the more you've tried to answer the question the less you actually answer it... I don't see how "rapidly transitioning from a high-trust to a low-trust society" or "she's got 2 bikes stolen ... this would be inconceivable to me during my time living in the same town" reflect failures in Canadian government at all…

Ah yes, increasing theft is just a fact of the "developed" world, and simultaneously, anyone that claims theft has increased is just imagining things.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by 99_00 »

Mistletoe wrote: post #440
99_00 wrote: post #412

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Canada has no term limit. Leaders stay on until they have lost the support of their party. Often that happens after a devastating election loss. In this case it is happening because of his extreme unpopularity before the election and his parties hope of improving their election prospects under a different leader

Have they ever thought of implementing a term limit? I’m confused why they think that is not necessary.

The Prime Ministership is by convention and not defined in a constitution

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by lbrito »

anonporridge wrote: post #420
avgDev wrote: post #384

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I feel like this site has a bit of a bias when it comes to the USA. Most devs are highly compensated in the USA and can afford whatever. Being poor or sick sucks here.

There is not and never has been any place on Earth where being poor and sick doesn't suck.

There are many places where it sucks much, much less.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by ygjb »

BunsanSpace wrote: post #301
mlekoszek wrote: post #23

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Generally, governments in Canada are voted out in roughly 9-year intervals. Trudeau took office in 2015, so nothing unusual there. Moreover, Trudeau is exiting with approval ratings just a percent below his predecessor, Stephen Harper (22% vs. 23%, respectively). So, in a wider sense, this is not so unusual. But we're facing a trade war with the States and less-than-joking threats of annexation, so it's a bad moment…

This is the crux of the issue honestly. Trudeau should have had the humility to read the writing on the wall in the fall, and stepped down so we could have a stable government to deal with the incoming US administration and give his party a fighting chance next election. He could have rested on his laurels knowing history would likely forget his shortcomings & scandals, and be remembered as the prime minister who got…

Here's the primary problem with your argument: the current front-runner to win the next election is the Conservative Party of Canada, with Pierre Poilievre as leader, and pretty much a shoo-in for the next Prime Minister.

Poilievre is a career politician who's only professional experience has been as a politician, has no work history to speak of (don't take my word for it, his wikipedia entry details only a job as a collection agent, and that he started a business in 2003 focused on political communications, and then was elected in 2004).

Poilievre has spent the last several years in the lead up to becoming the party leader for the CPC cozying up to the alt-right, supporting the anti-vax movement, and hasn't published any meaningful policy documentation.

Poilievre is basically the last man standing from Stephen Harpers administration (in terms of policies and practices), and has failed to drive or pass any meaningful legislation or policy changes in his 20 year career. His victory in the 2022 CPC leadership campaign was a landslide, but also suffered from allegations of foreign interference from India and China. There is still an outstanding report on foreign interference due on January 31st.

Trudeau's greatest mistake was not implementing the electoral change he campaigned on, which likely would have marked a long term shift toward more left leaning social policies along side centrist fiscal policies, which have typically characterized Canadian society. Unfortunately, unless a very compelling alternative to the CPC emerges in the next 3 months, we will most likely get a government lead by a sock-puppet who lacks any real strength to negotiate with a presumably hostile incoming US administration, and the official party line from other Conservative groups in Canada appears to be appeasement and concession.

It's gonna be a rough couple of years :/

(edited for shoe-in)

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by nostromo »

avgDev wrote: post #384
TriangleEdge wrote: post #262

I have migrated from Canada to the USA and my metrics for wealth, ease of mind, actually working while at work, outgoingness, etc instantly improved. I don't plan on ever going back. I feel chagrin at seeing Canada fail. I'm glad to see Justin Trudeau pressured out, I know there won't be meaningful change associated with the decision, but I have hope.

I feel like this site has a bit of a bias when it comes to the USA. Most devs are highly compensated in the USA and can afford whatever. Being poor or sick sucks here.

Most of Canada is pretty poor now.

From the Economist: https://archive.is/UdixF/ec46ebf7fe812cd5e9432f45f68bd142e6c...

Their housing is more expensive than the US, but taxes are higher and wages are lower.

If Canada’s provinces were states, the populated ones would be poorer than the poorest US states, along with higher taxes and expensive housing.

https://brilliantmaps.com/us-vs-canada-gdp-per-capita/

British Columbia is now poorer than Idaho, again, while being much more expensive. Ontario and Quebec and Canada as a whole are now poorer than West Virginia.

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Post by AlexandrB »

Tiktaalik wrote: post #285
0xbadc0de5 wrote: post #115

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lol this incredible hyperbole begs for explanation. The two main fumbles I can see of note are on housing and immigration. On immigration the government only made remarkable changes in the last two years, and as if they touched a hot stove, they already realized their mistake and have already scaled back immigration numbers so much that Canada will effectively have nil immigration for the near future. Not likely a ge…

> On immigration the government only made remarkable changes in the last two years, and as if they touched a hot stove, they already realized their mistake and have already scaled back immigration numbers so much that Canada will effectively have nil immigration for the near future.

From government of Canada[1]:

> reducing from 500,000 permanent residents to 395,000 in 2025

> reducing from 500,000 permanent residents to 380,000 in 2026

> setting a target of 365,000 permanent residents in 2027

I don't know how that's "nil". The reduced numbers are still about 1% of Canada's population per year. Compare that to the us which had ~2.5 million immigrants or 0.7% of its population in 2022[2]. And most American seem to think that this is already too much.

[1] https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/ne...

[2] https://usafacts.org/state-of-the-union/immigration/

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Post by bko »

sangnoir wrote: post #320
TriangleEdge wrote: post #262

I have migrated from Canada to the USA and my metrics for wealth, ease of mind, actually working while at work, outgoingness, etc instantly improved. I don't plan on ever going back. I feel chagrin at seeing Canada fail. I'm glad to see Justin Trudeau pressured out, I know there won't be meaningful change associated with the decision, but I have hope.

The USA is great when you're working age and are healthy. Outside the 18-65 age range, not so much. I hope Canada will not morph into USA-lite.

Is it because people outside of 18 and 65 don't have to pay rent or a mortgage? Also one of the often touted benefits of Canada to US is the public healthcare system, but after 65 most people are on Medicare which is adequate and under 25 generally under your parents insurance.

Genuinely curious whats better under Canadian system for the young and old.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by cempaka »

throw0101d wrote: post #374
parthdesai wrote: post #298

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> flip the sides, i.e. you've a conservative government and a liberal protesting organization, and I'll wait to see your reaction. You mean like what the pro-Palestinian folks did at UofT (not far from where I work) in 2024 and who lost a court case (2024 ONSC 3755)? I was fine it. Was also fine with the 'Occupy Toronto' folks losing their court case: 2011 ONSC 6862. And as it stands, I live in Toronto, Canada, which…

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