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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by NewJazz »

FredPret wrote: post #176
hmmm-i-wonder wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FPTP has many many flaws, one being that it trends towards a defacto 2-party system due to strategic voting, especially if only one spectrum is divided (i.e. liberal/ndp, or alliance/progressive conservatives back a few decades ago). The Anonymous Party list, and opaque process are not inherent factors on any of the replacements for FPTP, in fact the only one WITH the list was supposed to be an open list, and that wa…

What’s wrong with two parties? Countries with multiple small parties frequently seem to collapse into political torpor where nothing ever changes.

Countries with two parties often collapse into inaction where nothing ever changes too.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by squigz »

jyscao wrote: post #114
Cumpiler69 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The Canada I grew up with [...] is completely shattered. What happened?

One could endlessly go on about the economy/COL, immigration, crumbling healthcare, housing crisis, far-left ideology going mainstream, etc. But I could frame it much simpler than that - Canada, at least in cities of modest sizes and up, is rapidly transitioning from a high-trust to a low-trust society. An anecdote: my sister is more than 10 years younger than me, she's currently attending the same university as I di…

> economy, healthcare costs, housing crisis, and... far left ideology

One of these things is not like the others. Could you elaborate on how 'far left ideology' relates to the others in terms of the supposed fall of our country?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by eastbound »

mass_and_energy wrote: post #75
csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

YSK that the people who had their accounts frozen weren't simply protesting in Ottawa; they were blocking international borders to our largest trading partner, effectively holding our economy hostage. This absolutely constitutes behavior that's a danger to our nation so it makes sense to freeze the accounts of the people doing it. To be clear, there were many attempts to settle this without freezing people's bank acc…

> effectively holding our economy hostage

This is what a protest is. (French here). If protesters go as far, and in Canada it was because you did them dirty, then you must sit at a table and negotiate. You must sit at a table and negotiate with everyone in a country. You cannot do someone dirty then complain that they protest.

It’s effects removing the right to protest, and therefore, removing democracy itself. Go live in Singapore?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by throw0101d »

loceng wrote: post #186
bryanlarsen wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The federal response was largely due to the abject failure of the city & provincial governments to enforce their laws. The city and province had plenty of tools to get rid of the protesters: noise bylaws, parking bylaws, et cetera. They failed completely, so the Federal government was forced to intervene. The federal government did not have nuanced tools to deal with the truckers so used the blunt hammers they did ha…

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> […] against the peaceful protestors.

At some point they stopped being protestors and became occupiers. There is no Charter right to occupy—as the pro-Palestinian folks also learned [1] (which was simply re-iterating previous precedent, see perhaps [2]).

[1] 2024 ONSC 3755

[2] 2011 ONSC 6862

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

renewiltord wrote: post #122
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #47

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So? "The rules need to be changed because the wrong people keep winning" sounds very suspicious to me. If the situation is as you describe, what really needs to change is that the two left parties need to merge, or one of them needs to become such a marginal player that it doesn't matter. If the leaders of those parties can't or won't do that, well, then you get the situation that you have.

Some believe that it’s better if representative democracies represent their constituents. Newer voting technology that permits a greater alignment of representative distribution with voter distribution is preferable to those people. Personally, I find it galling that the massive Californian population of Republicans and Texan population of Democrats frequently go unrepresented. You seem to believe in the primacy of F…

> You seem to believe in the primacy of FPTP voting in itself. That’s the difference.

You seem to be reading things into my words that I didn't say.

I get that more representative is good. I get that FPTP isn't that.

But what I said is, when their complaint is that the Conservatives keep winning, that makes their whole argument suspect.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by srid »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #179
nemo44x wrote: post #54

Is Canada better today then when he started as PM? I struggle to agree that it is. Housing is as bad as it has ever been and the immigration decisions seem to have been so careless that even people that would agree with immigration as a general principal are horrified by it by and large. The Canadian dollar has collapsed VS the USD. I guess it always ends bad if you stick around long enough.

Canada is definitely worse than it was ten years ago, but all of the major problems are provincial responsibilities: housing, health care, education, policing. The largely conservative provinces have done a very good job of blaming Trudeau and immigration for problems that are entirely their own.

Out of curiosity, how is the housing & health care situation in those conservative provinces compared to other provinces (like Quebec, where I live in)?

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Post by mlekoszek »

busterarm wrote: post #180
bryanlarsen wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> minorly-inconvenienced 120dB train horns at 2AM in the morning in a residential area is not a minor inconvenience.

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Are you trying to compare an emergency vehicle -- which is there to save someone's life -- with someone blasting a train horn outside your house to harass your neighbourhood as a deliberate political tactic? Are you looking to imply that all noises, for all reasons, at all hours, are equal, and therefore what they did is beyond reproach?

As a follow-up question -- were you impacted by this event? Were you there, even momentarily?

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Post by srid »

papercrane wrote: post #84
nemo44x wrote: post #54

Is Canada better today then when he started as PM? I struggle to agree that it is. Housing is as bad as it has ever been and the immigration decisions seem to have been so careless that even people that would agree with immigration as a general principal are horrified by it by and large. The Canadian dollar has collapsed VS the USD. I guess it always ends bad if you stick around long enough.

> The Canadian dollar has collapsed VS the USD. The CAD is sitting at about $0.70 USD right now, which isn't really outside of it's typical range, and not really unexpected given the difference in interest rate now between Canadian & US interest rates. If you look at historical prices it looks more like business-as-usual, the CAD usually bounces between 0.70-0.80 USD.

CAD was actually on parity with USD between 2007-2012.

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Post by nsavage »

csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

I live in Ottawa and lived here during the convoy. Happy to answer any questions as an actual resident from anyone about my experience.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by RegnisGnaw »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #179
nemo44x wrote: post #54

Is Canada better today then when he started as PM? I struggle to agree that it is. Housing is as bad as it has ever been and the immigration decisions seem to have been so careless that even people that would agree with immigration as a general principal are horrified by it by and large. The Canadian dollar has collapsed VS the USD. I guess it always ends bad if you stick around long enough.

Canada is definitely worse than it was ten years ago, but all of the major problems are provincial responsibilities: housing, health care, education, policing. The largely conservative provinces have done a very good job of blaming Trudeau and immigration for problems that are entirely their own.

Immigration? The massive amount of temp foreign students?
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