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Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by dyauspitr »

dns_snek wrote: post #244
dcchambers wrote: post #219

I think one thing few are willing to admit is that a large blame for this can be placed on disinterested parents. Parents that believe it is solely the school/teacher's job to educate their child. When kids are at home, parents should be involved in the learning process. You don't have to be a helicopter and monitor everything, but you should take interest in the work your child is doing. If you check in at least onc…

I doubt that any of those parents would be receptive to concerns or criticism. I can only hope that in 20, 50, or 100 years, absent-minded parenting is going to be widely recognized as a form of child abuse.

I agree but the amount of stuff parents are expected to do to raise a child now are ridiculous. Many don’t give a shit but for the ones that do, the list is getting untenable. Adding anymore is just going to exacerbate the population decline problem.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by ffsm8 »

11yrs old now means 2013. That's Gen Alpha, not Gen Z.

And kids born from this year on are Gen Beta. (Expect lots of meme s about that in 5-10 yrs)

Also, people have been making the same argument about calculators since they've become mainstream in (I think) the 90s.

Lazy kids are gonna be lazy, that's just a fact of life

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by satisfice »

I didn’t do any homework, ever. I refused to do it on constitutional grounds.

I quit school altogether. I was okay.

I became an emancipated minor and I’ve been working in the software field since the age of 16. I’ve written two books and my third will be published by Wiley, soon.

Involuntary homework assignments have not led to an educated world. All ChatGPT is doing is making it easier to ignore pointless assignments.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by runjake »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #265
runjake wrote: post #199

It's worth noting people probably reacted to this like they did with calculators, and perhaps, encyclopedias. I see this use a bit differently: as a teacher that scales (and is probably more accurate that a human, hallucinations and other concerns notwithstanding). I see my kids using it in a similar manner as described in this post, but I also see their curiosity piqued and them asking all kinds of theoretical and c…

I don't have kids. But I do have interns occasionally. Which are about the same age as my kids could have been if I had kids. Anyway, as their employer and mentor, I want them to use LLMs to deliver faster and better and I actively challenge them to do use that to the max and thus free up more time to do more important things. I mentored four over the summer and they did a nice job. I think the reality for teachers a…

Many excellent points, thanks!

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by bangaladore »

generalizations wrote: post #205

Using ChatGPT like this is most likely a symptom, not the problem. An 11 year old is naturally a curious creature and if she's turned her brain off to the point of mindlessly solving her homework like this, there's something very wrong with her environment.

Disagree. I'd bet if you asked people if they enjoyed their homework when they were in elementary / middle school most would say no.

That's not the problem here. Actual homework will not last in the age of LLMs.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by runjake »

matwood wrote: post #298
runjake wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why's that?

The student is growing up in a world of technology. How can the homework be designed leveraging LLMs? Can some curriculums be accelerated assuming LLMs provide a new base? What is the goal of teaching? Memorizing formulas or learning to think? Do students gain any value writing a book report or is there more value writing an essay about how a book relates to a students personal story? Anything that is formulaic in na…

Great point.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by generalizations »

bangaladore wrote: post #305
generalizations wrote: post #205

Using ChatGPT like this is most likely a symptom, not the problem. An 11 year old is naturally a curious creature and if she's turned her brain off to the point of mindlessly solving her homework like this, there's something very wrong with her environment.

Disagree. I'd bet if you asked people if they enjoyed their homework when they were in elementary / middle school most would say no. That's not the problem here. Actual homework will not last in the age of LLMs.

> I'd bet if you asked people if they enjoyed their homework when they were in elementary / middle school most would say no.

Yup, and that's the environment I speak of. Modern elementary school is not a place for curious people.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #173
Freak_NL wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a competition. Teach her to use her brain, and hope school will end up being a net positive. You can't fix other parents and their children. It starts now for you by the way. Keep her away from screens for now, and be a good role model when handling devices (and the apps on them). You have ten years to show them what computers can do for you, but also what being the master of your own cognitive skills will g…

> It's not a competition. As a parent whose child has been in two school systems, respectfully: yes, it is. And it begins earlier than you think.

Was it ever a competition for you? I’m French and don’t remember that kind of thing.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by hb53821 »

djeastm wrote: post #281
sixhobbits wrote: post #229

If you'd told people 50 years ago that "literacy" would decline to the level of the reddit poster's style of writing, with poor sentence structure and words in ALL CAPS, they'd be pretty shocked. Now it's just normal communication. Older people are shocked that young people can't do long division, or easily add a column of numbers mentally. I'm not saying LLMs won't negatively influence the next generation, but the n…

>If you'd told people 50 years ago that "literacy" would decline to the level of the reddit poster's style of writing, with poor sentence structure and words in ALL CAPS, they'd be pretty shocked. Now it's just normal communication. I would argue that the people who would have written like 50 years ago just never had the opportunity or audience that people do today. Except maybe in a Letter to the Editor of a newspap…

Maybe. But we also have historical personal communication and journal entries to judge by, and they’re rarely, if ever, written in this style.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by 0xBDB »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #126
fnimick wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grades determine what college you go to, which determines the connections you make, which determines the trajectory of your entire life.

This never made sense to me, Unless the child is a literal genius or very charismatic, wouldn’t they almost certainly have worse prospects after graduating in the 10th to 30th percentile of their class at Harvard than from the 80th to 90th percentile of their class at Boston U? (Assuming they could even manage to squeak into Harvard in the first placd)

No. There are entire categories of employers (such as most of the prestigious financial firms for financial jobs) that only hire from the Ivy League. Twitter had its internal hiring policy leaked some time ago (before Elon) and Harvard was on the list (GPA 3.6) but BU was not at any GPA. School matters much more in the American class system than GPA (edit: or class rank) does. My understanding is that too high a GPA may in fact be disqualifying in some places; you might be uptight.

https://www.teamblind.com/post/twitters-internal-hiring-poli...

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