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Re: Meta is killing off its AI-powered Instagram and Facebook profiles

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Post by Jerrrry »

notavalleyman wrote: post #356
devjab wrote: post #242

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I'm Scandinavian and not invested in the American culture wars and I still got a good chuckle out of how bad an idea this was. Who on earth could've thought it was a good idea to get an AI to pretend to be a black queer mother of two? I'm sure it'll piss off a lot of anti-woke people, but really, how on earth did the issues with this not become obvious for the team? I'm not sure if the AI knows who trained it (and I…

The article indicates that it was one of 28 personas created by meta. However, the reporters in between the story and you, thought that one would be interesting to you and so promoted it's relevance. In actuality, if you rolled a dice of potential human traits 28 times, this could be a statistically normal combination

Lol 1 outta 28 isn't a black queer mom of two.

The clash of these characteristics is what defy and define these unlikely odds.

This is trolling rage bait. Like most big corp content.

Re: Meta is killing off its AI-powered Instagram and Facebook profiles

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

SoftTalker wrote: post #283
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #193

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> It’s because many of those “Americans” do not try to integrate, want to bring their culture with them... That's okay, more varied culture enriches, and I enjoy the added richness. >...and have a “what’s in it for me” view of [insert anything here]. That unfortunately describes a huge share of human beings on this planet. > The label “X-American” (replace X with a foreign country) should not exist I disagree: I thin…

> more varied culture enriches Except it doesn't. Look at the places that have the "happiest" people on earth, e.g. Denmark. They are monocultures where nearly everyone has the same traditions and history. And in recent times they have had a lot more immigrants, and it's causing a lot of chaos. Varied culture divides. It creates "us" and "them" groups, this is baked into our tribal psyche as humans.

>> more varied culture enriches

> Except it doesn't

I'm sorry to hear that you personally don't like the richness that other cultures add, but on the plus side, I do! :)

> Varied culture divides. It creates "us" and "them" groups, this is baked into our tribal psyche as humans

It takes someone seeking to divide, to divide. Embracing your culture and a part of your identity doesn't inherently divide anything. Ironically, the division often happens when someone says 'THEY embrace a culture I don't embrace, that must mean THEY are dividing us".

I recently went to an Ethiopian restaurant, enjoyed it, chatted with the owners, and didn't feel like they were dividing themselves from me, despite them embracing their culture. It'd be a shame for most restaurants to shut down because they embrace a culture that you don't embrace.

Have you considered the possibility that you are the one dividing people based on the components of their identity and culture and deciding which components are okay for them to have (because they match yours) and which aren't? Removing all culture but yours would be pretty boring (nothing personal, this goes for any monoculture).

Re: Meta is killing off its AI-powered Instagram and Facebook profiles

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Post by nox101 »

jiggawatts wrote: post #322
crmd wrote: post #290

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There is another real-world version of this in the US healthcare system, where doctor offices are using domain-specific LLMs to craft multi-page medical approval requests for procedures that cover every known loophole insurer’s use to deny, which are then being reviewed by ML-powered algorithms at the insurance company looking for any way to deny and delay the claim approval. In other words we have a bona fide AI arm…

It’s so bizarre to me that this uniquely US phenomenon of for-profit-middlemen inserted into the healthcare system has resulted in an adverserial relationship between the sick person and the “healthcare provider”. I put that air quotes because insurance companies don’t actually provide health care. They provide insurance. That’s a financial product, not a medical one.

in Japan where the government sets the prices, dentists do things over 3 visits that dentists in other places would do in 1 because then they can bill the government set price 3 times instead of one

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Post by devjab »

notavalleyman wrote: post #356
devjab wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm Scandinavian and not invested in the American culture wars and I still got a good chuckle out of how bad an idea this was. Who on earth could've thought it was a good idea to get an AI to pretend to be a black queer mother of two? I'm sure it'll piss off a lot of anti-woke people, but really, how on earth did the issues with this not become obvious for the team? I'm not sure if the AI knows who trained it (and I…

The article indicates that it was one of 28 personas created by meta. However, the reporters in between the story and you, thought that one would be interesting to you and so promoted it's relevance. In actuality, if you rolled a dice of potential human traits 28 times, this could be a statistically normal combination

Can you explain why it is you think that makes it any better? I can think of no argument that would make this particular persona anything but a tremendously stupid idea. Even if it was one in a thousand personas it would almost certainly be found and singled out by articles like this one.

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Post by notavalleyman »

Jerrrry wrote: post #381
notavalleyman wrote: post #356

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The article indicates that it was one of 28 personas created by meta. However, the reporters in between the story and you, thought that one would be interesting to you and so promoted it's relevance. In actuality, if you rolled a dice of potential human traits 28 times, this could be a statistically normal combination

Lol 1 outta 28 isn't a black queer mom of two. The clash of these characteristics is what defy and define these unlikely odds. This is trolling rage bait. Like most big corp content.

I'm not sure if you're joking but your comment expresses it backwards - according to the op article, meta made 28 such bots. One of those bots had the insta profile tagline "queer black mom". In between meta's creation of the 28 and the story arriving on your dinner plate, someone decided to focus the coverage on that one of 28. They thought it would be interesting to people and clearly were right

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Post by notavalleyman »

devjab wrote: post #384
notavalleyman wrote: post #356

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The article indicates that it was one of 28 personas created by meta. However, the reporters in between the story and you, thought that one would be interesting to you and so promoted it's relevance. In actuality, if you rolled a dice of potential human traits 28 times, this could be a statistically normal combination

Can you explain why it is you think that makes it any better? I can think of no argument that would make this particular persona anything but a tremendously stupid idea. Even if it was one in a thousand personas it would almost certainly be found and singled out by articles like this one.

> how on earth did the issues with this not become obvious for the team?

I haven't reviewed the context of all 28. But if "the team" were trying to do this rationally: perhaps they'd use census data to weight human characteristics and roll 28 dice. We might not expect more than one of 28 to end up as "queer black mom" but it's not necessarily "woke bait" or "rage bait" for one of 28 to land on those squares. Perhaps it was a logical way of assigning traits?

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Post by tmpz22 »

loeg wrote: post #348
motohagiography wrote: post #95

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It's like people have already forgotten why people used the non-human beings in Westworld. One of the first things we're going to use them for is amusement and having them represent anything sentimental or sensitive is going to make them a target like this. It was irresponsible. There's something essentially wrong with Meta and Google where they can do tech but not products anymore. I'd argue it's because the honest…

Fictional dystopias aren't the real world. Westworld is just television.

Life often imitates art.

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Post by isubkhankulov »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #338
seizethecheese wrote: post #320

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My father has fallen for one fraud after another these last few years. It’s disgusting. Anything in the direction of solving this would be doing the lord’s work.

The solution is for all foreign wire transfers to be insured and reversible which would drive up the cost of doing business with countries home to scammers.

That’s just going to drive more fraud to the receiver’s side. For example, one can pay for goods and receive them, then reverse the payment. This already is a huge percentage of fraud that businesses have to deal with, and there is a large industry built around preventing it. Fighting fraud (and other crimes) requires vigilance from all parties.

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Post by thereisnospork »

baxtr wrote: post #357
sonofhans wrote: post #179

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> There's something essentially wrong with Meta and Google where they can do tech but not products anymore. I'd argue it's because the honest human desire that drives a product dies or is refined out of initiatives by the time it gets through the optimization process of their org structure. This is a really nice insight. I hadn’t put it together this way before. It’s similar to design-by-committee, or movie script-by…

I wonder why so few companies employ Pixar’s Brain Trust method. You get into a room with a bunch of key execs who are not part of your project and then they tear your product/movie/idea apart. You don’t have to implement any of their suggestions but since these are seasoned execs they see flaws readily. The key is that the process encourages candid feedback without hierarchy or defensiveness. This goes on for a coup…

Imo it's due to people have a hard time separating the worth of their idea with their self-worth. So criticism of their 'baby' breeds negative sentiment which creates a challenging political environment for criticism, which would need to be ameliorated by strong organizational culture.

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

xdfgh1112 wrote: post #340
beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: post #332

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> That’s a financial product, not a medical one. It often goes unsaid, but America, on a cultural and political level, is really ideologically fixated on a distinction between working and non-working individuals, and, in a far deeper sense, whether an individual "deserves" healthcare or not. This makes access to healthcare intricately connected to class, wealth, and income, in America. That's why access to healthcare…

I get this feeling a lot. For example the UK typically has unlimited paid sick days for salaried jobs, while I have heard of US employees pooling together and "donating" sick days to someone. The UK has a ton of benefits for the sick, unemployed, single mothers, carers etc. in the US I am sure those exist but I get the sense that charity is supposed to play more of a role.

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