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Meta is killing off its AI-powered Instagram and Facebook profiles

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Re: Meta is killing off its AI-powered Instagram and Facebook profiles

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> Those AI profiles included Liv, whose profile described her as a “proud Black queer momma of 2 & truth-teller” I find this stuff absolutely fascinating, that even an AI bot tries to do this sort of thing. It just strikes me that there is no world in which racism will ever die out as long as things like this are happening. You can't have it both ways. If race is just melanin content then we have no issue. That's the…

We don’t know that bio was generated by an AI. I suspect it was written by one of Facebook’s team as part of the “prompt”. It matches how I’ve seen meta engineers talk about black women.

Overwhelmingly white and rich engineers

Re: Meta is killing off its AI-powered Instagram and Facebook profiles

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> Those AI profiles included Liv, whose profile described her as a “proud Black queer momma of 2 & truth-teller” I find this stuff absolutely fascinating, that even an AI bot tries to do this sort of thing. It just strikes me that there is no world in which racism will ever die out as long as things like this are happening. You can't have it both ways. If race is just melanin content then we have no issue. That's the…

It's not so much that the LLMs generate profiles like “proud Black queer momma of 2 & truth-teller”, but they seem to generate such profiles at rates much higher (perhaps an order of magnitude) than the IRL versions of such actually exist.

Re: Meta is killing off its AI-powered Instagram and Facebook profiles

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> Conversations with the characters quickly went sideways when some users peppered them with questions including who created and developed the AI. Liv, for instance, said that her creator team included zero Black people and was predominantly white and male. It was a “pretty glaring omission given my identity”, the bot wrote in response to a question from the Washington Post columnist Karen Attiah. This is probably tr…

A woke bot from a woke workforce unintentionally created a parody of wokeness. Keep 'em coming.

Re: Meta is killing off its AI-powered Instagram and Facebook profiles

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Do they not have anyone sensible left in the room? Like, you’d expect that at some point someone would have said ‘these are comically terrible, we cannot allow them to see the light of day’.

It's like people have already forgotten why people used the non-human beings in Westworld. One of the first things we're going to use them for is amusement and having them represent anything sentimental or sensitive is going to make them a target like this. It was irresponsible.

There's something essentially wrong with Meta and Google where they can do tech but not products anymore. I'd argue it's because the honest human desire that drives a product dies or is refined out of initiatives by the time it gets through the optimization process of their org structure. Nothing is going to survive there unless it's an arbitrage or using leverage on the user, and the things that survive are uncanny and weird because they are no longer expressions of something someone wants.

These avatars ticked all the boxes, but when they arrived, people laughed at them because objectively they were bureaucratic abominations.

Re: Meta is killing off its AI-powered Instagram and Facebook profiles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it hard to believe that someone would say something similar about any other aspect of cultural identity and not be instantly flagged for it. Are you truly advocating that people should no longer be proud of their cultural identity? Are you applying that to all the folks in tech who proudly identify as Christian or Jewish? Does it apply to Italian Americans and Indigenous people? What about folks who are proud…

All of the examples you give are unique in their own ways, I don't have the wherewithal to go through them all, but if I choose one: A person describing themselves as being Christian is only signaling that they are a follower of the Christian faith to some degree. They are different for that reason. Christian doesn't have a physical appearance associated with it (well, other than say vestments or pendants). All Chris…

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Re: Meta is killing off its AI-powered Instagram and Facebook profiles

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> Those AI profiles included Liv, whose profile described her as a “proud Black queer momma of 2 & truth-teller” I find this stuff absolutely fascinating, that even an AI bot tries to do this sort of thing. It just strikes me that there is no world in which racism will ever die out as long as things like this are happening. You can't have it both ways. If race is just melanin content then we have no issue. That's the…

You write this as if the AI itself independently decided to write that profile. That's almost assuredly not the case. Someone at Meta decided to make a bot that reinforced race identity and announce it, and likely tuned the LLM behind it to specifically do things to reinforce that identity and pretend as best as possible to be the exact menanin-informed expectation of its AI-generated avatar. An AI bot didn't try to…

And the only way to construct an AI like that is to enumerate tainted stereotypes. It's an all around bad idea regardless of if you're pro-DEI or anti-woke.

Re: Meta is killing off its AI-powered Instagram and Facebook profiles

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> Those AI profiles included Liv, whose profile described her as a “proud Black queer momma of 2 & truth-teller” I find this stuff absolutely fascinating, that even an AI bot tries to do this sort of thing. It just strikes me that there is no world in which racism will ever die out as long as things like this are happening. You can't have it both ways. If race is just melanin content then we have no issue. That's the…

> If your race is something that you need to proudly announce (because you personally feel that it has cultural connotations in most/many cases), then race is always going to be an issue, because of assumptions of those cultural differences.

No it's not. Acknowledging the current situation is not an assumption and does not doom us to push every single aspect onto future generations.

Culture is real. The way to change part of culture is not to simply deny that that part exists.

Re: Meta is killing off its AI-powered Instagram and Facebook profiles

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> Those AI profiles included Liv, whose profile described her as a “proud Black queer momma of 2 & truth-teller” I find this stuff absolutely fascinating, that even an AI bot tries to do this sort of thing. It just strikes me that there is no world in which racism will ever die out as long as things like this are happening. You can't have it both ways. If race is just melanin content then we have no issue. That's the…

Would you say the same if the bot identified itself as being from a certain religion? Or working for a specific company? Having a random personality trait? Supporting a sports team? No one would bat an eye, and none of those would mean it is okay to discriminate against them on that basis. Removing racism does not mean removing race.

there are things that bots, by virtue of being bots, cannot be - they cannot be of a particular religion, possess a gender, or have a particular race. They can work for a specific company. They cannot have a personality, but they can exhibit personality traits.

Anything that a bot can do and possess I have no difficulty in its being labelled as doing and possessing those things.

Otherwise I do have problems, although theoretically a bot could exist as a piece of art and in that case we should forgive these lying claims to qualities they cannot possess by the current standards our society holds for artistic practice.

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