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Re: Meta is killing off its AI-powered Instagram and Facebook profiles

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Post by motohagiography »

PKop wrote: post #203
motohagiography wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's like people have already forgotten why people used the non-human beings in Westworld. One of the first things we're going to use them for is amusement and having them represent anything sentimental or sensitive is going to make them a target like this. It was irresponsible. There's something essentially wrong with Meta and Google where they can do tech but not products anymore. I'd argue it's because the honest…

> It's like people have already forgotten why people used the non-human beings in Westworld This is fiction though. Perhaps we didn't forget about that fake thing and we're critiquing this real thing that exists. How can you take a demonstrative position on "what we're going to use them for" and defend it with someone's contrived story? > because objectively they were bureaucratic abominations Yes, this is why critic…

this misunderstands what fiction is. for people with the capacity, it's a tool for reasoning about hypotheticals and counterfactuals. sometimes its fun, but mostly it's serious.

for the people who get it fiction is a public discourse about possibilities. to me seeing it as arbitrary would be like watching golf and thinking it's random. there's a literal mindedness or incapacity for abstraction I can't apprehend in that.

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Post by xracy »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #113
xracy wrote: post #79

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People will discriminate against people of color because they are visually people of color. Whether or not they 'announce it'. It's utter BS to suggest that the only reason people discriminate against black people is because they 'identify as black'. Like, if all the black people would just stop identifying as 'black' racism would be solved? Maybe I'm misreading your comment, but all of the responses to this suggest…

I believe that many people in US are just pyromaniac firefighters that start fired to play hero extinguishing it. Racism is just one of the fires. In my country (Eastern Europe) racism is approximately non-existent, but nobody was putting gas on fire for decades or more. I know a black guy that is quite famous around here, do you know what he never said? "I am a proud black person". He is a great person and people lo…

2 things: 1. Just because you're not confronted with racism daily doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Boston is considered one of the most racist cities in the US, because once per sports game they scream the n-word at a black person. I'm like 99% certain I've heard similar stories in European countries.

2. The second part of your analogy is the "I know a black guy" trope that happens in the US. It's a pretty common thing, and no one believes people are 'not racist' just because they 'know a black guy'.

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Post by [deleted] »

thunky wrote: post #249
yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #219

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To be fair, how the term is normally used depends entirely on the group within which the term is being used. For many, racism is strictly “prejudice + power”, which logically concludes in the [in my opinion rather warped] idea that some groups are incapable of racism, which is at odds with the definition you’re citing

> the idea that some groups are incapable of racism, which is at odds with the definition you’re citing I disagree, because one can powerless while simultaneously being prejudiced and antagonistic to others. Which means that anyone can be racist.

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Post by drdeca »

MrMcCall wrote: post #148
namaria wrote: post #102

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That's the price for Mr Zuckerberg's ownership structure. On the one hand, no one can dispute him. On the other hand, no one can dispute him.

And he is personally responsible for so much misery on Earth that he can likely never do enough good to make up for it, not that he's going to try. The reason he never looks happy is because he is never happy. Same with his fellow oligarchs; they can get pleasure in bunches but never happiness, they can be smug but never have peace. Happiness is what happens as a result of your helping others become happier; there is…

> Happiness is what happens as a result of your helping others become happier; there is no shortcut, there is no other way.

Zack has a comic on a similar concept:

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2009-11-18

Of course, the exact line of reasoning doesn’t quite work for the different formulation you stated. However, a different version of the line of reasoning seems to? How does one help another person become happier if helping another person become happier is the only way to become happier? One helps them help someone else to help someone to… ?

Or, I suppose if it is possible to be more or less unhappy for other reasons, so by helping another person become less unhappy (though not yet happy) one could thereby become happy?

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Post by jazzyjackson »

mech422 wrote: post #31
davidw wrote: post #7

The thread is here and... it's pretty wild. This doesn't seem like it was a well-thought out idea to release this without some more consideration beforehand. https://bsky.app/profile/karenattiah.bsky.social/post/3letty...

Soo...they didn't learn anything from Microsoft's failed attempts at leaving an A.I. on the net ?? what was it ?? 48 hours before MS had to take them down ?

16.

(When searching for a citation I found this little compendium of banger tweets, and the addendum that Tay had a brief reprise of accidently going live again, this time tweeting "kush! [ I'm smoking kush infront the police ]" I guess in the modern milleu this would be considered escaping confinement)

https://dailywireless.org/internet/what-happened-to-microsof...

Re: Meta is killing off its AI-powered Instagram and Facebook profiles

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Post by lostlogin »

nradov wrote: post #239
magnio wrote: post #235

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Their revenue and net income are up 20% and 70% yoy. Apparently we can still sell more ads than what I thought is possible.

It's not necessarily more ads but rather more effective ads. Meta is among the best ad platforms for targeting. Customers pay a premium for this.

Sadly, the cancer is still growing.

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Post by pkkkzip »

whats apparent to me is that the people who will be reading this thread when they turn old enough to have a mobile phone or laptop will be like when the internet first came out and watching old people scoff and worry about both valid and invalid future problems.

the younger generation will not care much whether its generated by an AI or not. As long as its good and it hits their niche, they will not and should not care.

the implication and future predictooors dooming is also misplaced. in the sea of generative AI, imperfect, human produced content will end up becoming more valuable.

its like hand drawn anime by real humans vs computer assisted ones that mimic the style. younger generation don't even watch or care for the classics and they don't find the intrusion of computer graphics unholy like the rest of us old timers who appreciate and stopped watching it out of ideological differences. it wasn't the end of anime it actually increased the market size several thousand fold by lowering the barrier and cost of production (at the expense of upsetting the "luddites").

Exact same thing will play out across all consumable content. Even hardware.

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Post by morkalork »

ternnoburn wrote: post #157
lionkor wrote: post #99

I don't like that some people, esp at larger companies, think that groups with disadvantages in today's world are cutesy adorable things to play make-believe with.

Packaging and commodifying Black and queer cultures for sale to people, while not actually engaging or giving back to those cultures is a pretty time worn tradition, tbh. Of course, it ain't right now and it weren't right then, but I'm not in the least surprised it happened.

Actual real cultural appropriation to be outraged at for once

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Post by jedberg »

rsynnott wrote: post #88

Do they not have anyone sensible left in the room? Like, you’d expect that at some point someone would have said ‘these are comically terrible, we cannot allow them to see the light of day’.

Having worked at a similarly gargantuan and dysfunctional company, I can tell you exactly how this went down. Someone had this idea for AI profiles. They speced the product and took it to engineering. The engineers had a good laugh at how preposterous it is, but then remembered that they get paid a ton of money to do what they're told, and will get promos and bonuses for launching regardless of the outcome.

It all stems from promo culture -- it doesn't matter what you build, as long as it ships.

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Post by lostlogin »

dawnerd wrote: post #169
Trasmatta wrote: post #3

> Conversations with the characters quickly went sideways when some users peppered them with questions including who created and developed the AI. Liv, for instance, said that her creator team included zero Black people and was predominantly white and male. It was a “pretty glaring omission given my identity”, the bot wrote in response to a question from the Washington Post columnist Karen Attiah. This is probably tr…

Microsoft tried this ages ago with their Tay chatbot and found how quickly it went bad.

I’d forgotten about this - it was wild.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35902104

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