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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by AdieuToLogic »

bdangubic wrote: post #452
AdieuToLogic wrote: post #439

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>> Categorizing in terms of absolutes, such as "there are no liberals who ..." and "no conservatives who ...", is to engage in reductionism ... >> This is simply not true. > it simply is :) People make choices for a multitude of reasons. Sometimes those choices are knowingly to their detriment and can be confounding to others whom are not a part of their decision process. Many times the reasoning is "sacrifice for th…

edited my comment to elaborate and not be snarky as I was

No worries.

I was about to edit mine to clarify that I am not judging you nor your comments, instead simply providing my perspective in the hope it helps.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by epistasis »

chasil wrote: post #382
epistasis wrote: post #317

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I'm not sure your article agrees that cooling was the dominant thought in the public sphere: > "While neither scientists nor the public could be sure in the 1970s whether the world was warming or cooling, people were increasingly inclined to believe that global climate was on the move, and in no small way" And it definitely wasn't in the scientific world: > Concern peaked in the early 1970s, though "the possibility o…

Here is an article from the New York Times in 1975, that trots out quite a few Ph.D. recipients: "That the climate, at least in the Northern Hemisphere, has been getting cooler since about 1950, is well estabt lished—if one ignores the last two winters." https://archive.ph/k6xfu

A single article does not in any way refute the quote in my comment, and could not. Even 10 or 20 such articles could not refute. It would take a study of the entire media environment of the time.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by worik »

zizee wrote: post #244
Terr_ wrote: post #187

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Over in Washington, the Hanford nuclear site is a big demonstration that we haven't really solved the holistic problems of nuclear waste. (Technical, financial, legal, political.) Even just trying to ship it elsewhere for processing gets blocked by other states and cities.

Most of the storage challenges are political, rather than engineering. There is so much fear around this stuff, but it's usually based on the incorrect notion that radioactive wastes is both super dangerous, and lasts forever. But this is not true. The super dangerous stuff doesn't hang around that long, whilst the stuff that does isn't that dangerous. The super-duper dangerous radioactive waste has a relatively shor…

> Most of the storage challenges are political, rather than engineering.

That is a strange statement.

There is no place in the world geologically stable for the required period (we have no way to know)

We have no way to communicate with people about the dangers for over 100_000 years.

Those are technical problems.

The political impetus is to get future generations to pay for our current consumption

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by pfdietz »

bb88 wrote: post #181
acdha wrote: post #46

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The big one I wish he’d been able to do was getting a U.S. nuclear network going like France has. It’d be nice to have now but they’re so slow to build that a 40 year head start would’ve been invaluable.

Three Mile Island and then Chernobyl kinda killed that dream. Both had bad actors trying to cover up the leak, and caused the nuclear scare to go even worse. France also has majority ownership of the nuclear plants, something that would never fly in the US (because Socialism!). Even when I was an intern at a power company, the leaders there saw the nuclear power plant the company owned as an "albatross around their n…

What killed nuclear in the US wasn't Chernobyl or TMI. It was PURPA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Utility_Regulatory_Poli...

This flooded the power markets in the US with new, non-utility sources, while at the same time it helped reduce growth in demand by encouraging efficiency. Together, these squeezed out any prospect for starting new nuclear construction projects.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by myroon5 »

bb88 wrote: post #288
sthuck wrote: post #251

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look the peace is definitely an achievement and much much better than the alternative. But it's incredibly fragile peace held only the Egyptian Army control and Sisi's dictatorship. Most of the population still despises Israel, another revolution in Egypt and its a matter of time until there is another war. Now with western equipment for both sides!

> But it's incredibly fragile peace Sure, arguably it's because the treatment of the Palestinians. Unfortunately the last Israeli leader that attempted peace with the Palestinians was assassinated by someone who wanted conflict.

For reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by [deleted] »

epistasis wrote: post #462
chasil wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is an article from the New York Times in 1975, that trots out quite a few Ph.D. recipients: "That the climate, at least in the Northern Hemisphere, has been getting cooler since about 1950, is well estabt lished—if one ignores the last two winters." https://archive.ph/k6xfu

A single article does not in any way refute the quote in my comment, and could not. Even 10 or 20 such articles could not refute. It would take a study of the entire media environment of the time.

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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by thordenmark »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #295
consumer451 wrote: post #206

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Blaming Kennedy is a take I hadn't heard before. I always gave the folks behind Reagan a lot of credit, as it is a historical fact that they conspired with a foreign power to hold the American hostages until after the election. > A Four-Decade Secret: One Man’s Story of Sabotaging Carter’s Re-election > A prominent Texas politician said he unwittingly took part in a 1980 tour of the Middle East with a clandestine age…

Reagan's entire administration was swamped in corruption and scandals. People really don't remember just how many investigations, charges, and convictions there were. People only remember Iran-Contra and the hostage crisis; it was so much worse. Reagan even cheated in a televised debate; someone stole Carter's notes and gave them to Reagan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandals_of_the_Ronald_Reagan_... Ronald "Small…

All that is saying is that back then the Democrats engaged in lawfare. Nothing new.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by alex_young »

yyyk wrote: post #276
alex_young wrote: post #265

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The Environmental Protection Agency was started by Richard Nixon in 1970. The clean air act was in 1967.

We were talking about energy policy. It was well known at the time policy was motivated by the oil crisis and environment was a second fiddle: https://www.nytimes.com/1979/07/17/archives/environmentalist... * Aside: EPA and the Clean Air act weren't motivated by Climate Change but by particle pollution concerns.

OP > …real work on Climate Change would have begun in 1981…

I don’t think that’s incorrect even if you ascribe all of the era’s environmental decision making to energy scarcity.

Carter still set a goal of 20% renewable energy by 2020, and that still would have made a significant impact.

It seems obvious to me that environmental policy was in some part driven by concern for the environment itself, but that doesn’t change the simple statement that things would have been better if we’d followed it.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by rhapsodic »

whatendorsement wrote: post #191
amazingamazing wrote: post #75

As a former president I wonder why he voted for Harris and went as far to tell others that he did so, but didn’t officially endorse. Seemed strange. A vote is tacit approval no? Was he against endorsements in general? He endorsed Mondale and Clinton iirc Regardless at least he wasn’t as divisive as 45. RIP.

Can you provide a link to the non-endorsement? I search google/bing/ddg and couldn't find any source for this claim that he didn't endorse her.

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