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Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by bane »

MrMember wrote: post #314

I'm seeing a lot of back in forth in the comments between hiring managers and employees discussing who is more responsible for the current situation, but from the perspective of someone looking for a job what should I be doing? I've been pretty aggressively looking for a job for the past six months or so. I have 10+ years of professional software dev experience so I've mostly been looking at senior dev positions. I h…

It's absolute insanity. Something has to give, or we're about to see some big changes in how hiring is done.

I don't want to retype my recent experiences, but I have a thread from about 6 weeks ago that goes into my specific details here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42137229

I was in a good position so I could take my time, but I honestly don't know what I would have done if I had needed a position quickly.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by mp05 »

margalabargala wrote: post #334
randomNumber7 wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can't stand out from an LLM then why can't it do your job? Also, not using LLMs might be a red flag. I wouldn't want a dev that is not open to this technology...

> Also, not using LLMs might be a red flag. I wouldn't want a dev that is not open to this technology... The person you're replying to is a senior, not junior candidate. For junior devs who are still learning, LLMs are a great force multiplier that help them understand code faster and integrate new things. For senior devs, LLMs are a maybe-optional tool that might save a couple hours per week, on a good week. I would…

> For senior devs, LLMs are a maybe-optional tool that might save a couple hours per week, on a good week.

I'm an industrial engineer who writes software and admittedly not a "senior dev", I guess, but LLMs help me save much more than just a few hours of week when crapping out a bunch of Qt/Python code that would cause my eyes to glaze over if I had to plod through it.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by robocat »

robocat wrote: post #257
teeray wrote: post #57

It’s astounding that we, as an industry, are so averse to licensing developers. It solves the resume spam problem and the repetitive LeetCode round(s) that every company now wants. We also don’t have to settle for the licensing process other industries have—ours can be more inclusive of alternative development backgrounds, while still providing a meaningful quality filter.

Because MCSE was such a success? This article unintentionally perfectly rebuts the idea of licensing: https://mcpmag.com/articles/2005/05/11/the-death-of-paper-mc... Our industry is one where actual skills should and do matter, and much gatekeeping has been reduced. Professional rote learning is great for mandarin jobs where you are working within a static prescribed framework (legal, accounting, building codes). It…

Up to 80% of practising engineers in the US are exempt from certification: https://www.engineeringnz.org/news-insights/how-do-other-cou...

Certification doesn't prevent accidents - the only thing it provides is scapegoats for faulty systems.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by mdaniel »

jarsin wrote: post #432
bdangubic wrote: post #191

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it is surprising there isn’t some SaaS bullshit company that solves this problem. we have shit like Pearsons and whatnots when taking exams, I took few certification exams and it was like - install this thing that takes over my machine - 360 camera around to show my surroundings - no phone/watch/… One would think by now there’d be two Stanford grads with a SaaS shit taking care of this for $899/hr Last interview I di…

Startup idea to truly solve this would be large network of onsite test / interview centers. I had to do all my certs onsite in test centers in early 2000's. For one I had to drive 2 hours to take the exam. Seems like those test centers used to be in every mid size city in the country.

I don't believe one needs a startup to solve that problem - there are already a bazillion certification paths for a bazillion tech stacks. The(?) problem is one of trust from the hiring org that the certs mean anything, and that's where the whole discussion devolves into one of (gatekeeping|but muh leetcode|our business problem is special|$other)

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by mdaniel »

atlintots wrote: post #308
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #285

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I think people are just upset when they submit a resume, or even go on an interview, and get NO response at all .. I don't think most people care about feedback - they just want a response. A one-line auto response would be fine.

Yep. As an undergrad, one of my first "proper" interviews was with Mozilla for an internship. I was obviously super excited since I actually cared about their products. I spent a lot of time carefully preparing for the two rounds of interviews, just to get ghosted! Sent a follow-up email a couple weeks later -- no response! I was crushed!

That seems "on brand" for Mozilla, based on the sheer number of WTAF moves that org makes

And I say that even while writing this comment in Firefox

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by wisemang »

lukan wrote: post #438
silisili wrote: post #425

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Try raspberry? Both fail for me, but I'm not a paid user.

I don't pay either (anymore), but is correct as well. (Via chatgot android app)

From iOS app, paid 4o

> There are 4 Rs in “razzleberry.”

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by the_af »

lukan wrote: post #438
silisili wrote: post #425

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Try raspberry? Both fail for me, but I'm not a paid user.

I don't pay either (anymore), but is correct as well. (Via chatgot android app)

ChatGPT-4 (free) on Android just told me:

> There are two "R"s in the word "cranberry."

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by irrational »

belinder wrote: post #351
MrMember wrote: post #314

I'm seeing a lot of back in forth in the comments between hiring managers and employees discussing who is more responsible for the current situation, but from the perspective of someone looking for a job what should I be doing? I've been pretty aggressively looking for a job for the past six months or so. I have 10+ years of professional software dev experience so I've mostly been looking at senior dev positions. I h…

I was hiring manager for 3 positions about 4 months ago and the amount of fake applications out there was mind boggling to me. I would say 90% were either entirely fake or had the exact same generated ai text. It got so bad that we started only looking at resumes that had a working LinkedIn link. Also after so many bad resumes I started being very forgiving for the ones that didn't fully match the job requirements if…

I haven’t been job hunting since around 2002, so I’m completely out of the loop. Why are people submitting fake resumes? Are they hoping to get hired despite having no skills beyond using ChatGPT? But, what happens after that? They don’t have the skills to do the job, so what was the point of getting hired?

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by mdaniel »

itronitron wrote: post #324
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #309

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Unfortunately so many people lie about experience that you need to so some sort of whiteboard test just to see if the candidate really is fluent in the language they are claiming 5 years experience with. It can be a really simple test.

In my two decades of experience, I've never seen another software engineer implement a linked list or even use a linked list. There are better, and more interesting, questions to be asking.

> or even use a linked list.

You must work in a super specialized industry, then

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by condiment »

margalabargala wrote: post #334
randomNumber7 wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can't stand out from an LLM then why can't it do your job? Also, not using LLMs might be a red flag. I wouldn't want a dev that is not open to this technology...

> Also, not using LLMs might be a red flag. I wouldn't want a dev that is not open to this technology... The person you're replying to is a senior, not junior candidate. For junior devs who are still learning, LLMs are a great force multiplier that help them understand code faster and integrate new things. For senior devs, LLMs are a maybe-optional tool that might save a couple hours per week, on a good week. I would…

The flag you want to see from a senior is reasoned examples of how they use it effectively. Ask for stories about successes and failures. By now, everyone has some.
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