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Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by la64710 »

salomon812 wrote: post #131

I'm a software manager that has been doing some form of interviewing/hiring for 13 years. I did two rounds of hiring software engineers last year, one in spring that seemed normal, and one in the fall that was was brutal. The fall hiring had a flood of applicants, and in retrospect, most seemed like AI was used in some way. For the fall round, I suddenly had a higher percentage of applicants that qualified after resu…

What exactly you can do as a HM to make the life of a job seeker easy? I dare say nothing except to just make the quality of response better. Even after six rounds of interviews candidates who are not selected get not a single positive feedback and is treated like scrap with a soulless rejection. Beleive me as a job applicant I have zero sympathy for the corporates that hire me and I will use every thing at my disposal including AI to be more efficient in any way I deem fit. The job is just a business transaction to me and I don’t care about your high and mighty lecture as a HM. GTFO.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by fc417fc802 »

maccard wrote: post #164
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure - that's how things are meant to work, with recruiters providing a valuable filtering service, but it does seem that many companies are now using (poor quality) AI screening, as well as a slew of abusive application practices (the ghosting. etc), and it seems any mutual respect between hiring company and candidate is disappearing. I don't know what the solution is.

My point is that that had been my experience hiring in a 10 person company and a 30k person company, and that the “suggested” AI screening isn’t happening - it’s probably that your application is the same as the other 300 applications that went in.

What's the time frame here, what's your sample size for applying to jobs yourself, and what's your sample size for doing hiring (ie how many different companies)? I'm guessing that your personal sample size is extremely limited - not just in quantity but also in geographic area.

Of course my guess could be way off, but what you are saying is definitely the exception to the common narrative nor does it match what I've seen.

> AI screening

There's been aggressive keyword filtering since long before LLMs exploded.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by roland35 »

kevinventullo wrote: post #276
bovermyer wrote: post #269

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I agree with this approach. In this field, unless you're hiring a junior engineer, you can have a reasonable expectation that a potential candidate will fly out for an interview even if it's a 100% remote job. If they refuse, well, there's a chance it's just because they can't afford to. The chance is far greater, though, that you dodged a bullet.

To be clear, you expect candidates to fly out on their own dime just for the interview?

I think the expectation is that any travel is paid for by the company. I've even had a per diem given to me to pay for meals as well.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by BarryMilo »

jjav wrote: post #201
salomon812 wrote: post #173

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I know the on-site is time-consuming and expensive, but so is firing people (at least in United States it is.) I've had a few on-site interviews where having them on-site made us realize we could never work with them. Given how much time they will spend with you, it's totally worth it to spend your resources on hiring.

> so is firing people (at least in United States it is.) There's probably some country somewhere where it is easier to fire people than the US, but not sure where would that be. There are zero requirements to fire people in the US. No reason needed, no notice, no compensation, nothing. Most (if not all) other countries have varying levels of requirements, notice and compensation required to fire someone. In the US, n…

I'm assuming you're talking about "at-will" states, coming from Canada I've heard there are also sane states. And even some at-will states have powerful unions no doubt.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by darkwater »

austin-cheney wrote: post #193

For hiring managers, if you getting a flood of resumes here is a possible solution for a filter: unpopular things and manual instructions. 1. Manual instructions. On the application submission page mention something like: All resumes or cover letters must copy and apply the following statement or will be dropped from consideration. This tests that candidates actually read and follow the instructions and rejections ca…

The first one would be solved just as easily by an LLM though.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by Etheryte »

drillsteps5 wrote: post #66

In the middle of fruitless multi-month job search, I manually view LinkedIn/indeed job sites daily and look for new positions, going through requirements, making sure I have the skills and experience (also helps with understanding if I need to upskill in certain areas), then look up the company, the industry it's in, etc. By the time I'm ready to apply to the position I know I'm interested in and a good fit for, ther…

Just for your consideration, in my experience Linkedin is pretty much the worst place to look for a job right now if you're a real human that actually knows how to do their work. Everyone just clicks apply to everything just to see what sticks and the signal to noise ratio is absolute garbage. If a company has a jobs section on their homepage, that should always be preferred.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by atlintots »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #285
salomon812 wrote: post #160

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God, I wish I could respond to denied applicants like a human, but the threat of legal action prevents me from giving good feedback. I know it sucks, but I'm not sure what to do about this, and I'm already so burnt out from the hiring process as it is, it's hard to work up the strength to do this fight as well. Not to mentioned I spend forever doing it, there's so many and I wouldn't want to do it halfway...

I think people are just upset when they submit a resume, or even go on an interview, and get NO response at all .. I don't think most people care about feedback - they just want a response. A one-line auto response would be fine.

Yep. As an undergrad, one of my first "proper" interviews was with Mozilla for an internship. I was obviously super excited since I actually cared about their products. I spent a lot of time carefully preparing for the two rounds of interviews, just to get ghosted! Sent a follow-up email a couple weeks later -- no response! I was crushed!

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

itronitron wrote: post #271
cute_boi wrote: post #53

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It seems that many processes, from interviews to real work, are increasingly manipulated. I've noticed a pattern with candidates employed by certain consulting companies, especially in Texas and New Jersey. These companies often recruit low-cost labor from India, craft fake resumes, and submit them to platforms like LinkedIn. During interviews, candidates use tools like HDMI dual-screen setups, ChatGPT, Otter AI, or…

why would you ever task an employee to implement a LinkedList?

Unfortunately so many people lie about experience that you need to so some sort of whiteboard test just to see if the candidate really is fluent in the language they are claiming 5 years experience with. It can be a really simple test.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by bdangubic »

gray_-_wolf wrote: post #289
bdangubic wrote: post #279

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you might be slightly more receptive to this idea if you have, the company administering the exam needs to ensure no cheating is happening so app starts, all your other apps are shutdown, you get a call through the app to show your surroundings with the camera on your laptop etc before exam begins. at no point in time did I find any of it intrusive or strange, I wanted to get the exam done remotely, they need to ensu…

> so app starts I assume this "app" is not open source, correct? Is is compatible with Linux systems? Can it run on non-FHS distribution? > all your other apps are shutdown I admit I am curious about this bit. Does it just start killing all other processes belonging to the same user ID? Or of all users (since you could get "assist" from process owned by an another user)? At least PID 1 needs to survive the slaughter,…

there is a video on this page showing overall experience - https://www.pearsonvue.com/us/en/test-takers/onvue-online-pr...
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